This is a thread where total non sense is being perpetuated by both the sides. And the problem with Danshaven is that he is trying to substitute a bigger nonsense with an existing well established nonsense. Odds are against him. Spacetime as a mathematical tool is fine, but it is meaningless and inexpressible in reality. space as light travel time is as meaningless and as inexpressible in reality as spacetime, infact a bit more ridiculous as no maths can be derived out of it.