It's funny to hear folks like you say this, if not a little hypocritical, a number of Republicans were very publicly threatening revolution if they didn't win. And the issue here democracy and the lack of it.
There's no need to become separate Nation States, without a Central Bank, a Republic based on a Union of States (.....a United States) each with diverse sets of laws at the individual State governments level, that would be best. IMO
The electoral college is not going to reverse the outcome of the election. That's the whole point and why we're not a democracy. As for Brexit, I'd be surprised, given Trumps election, of that occurring. If anything, I expect this is the new trend.
Actually, if the Republicans wanted to gain more political control, all that they need to do is to pass a "Regulation" whereby to be counted as a part of the "electorate", citizens are required to pass a simple on-screen literacy and civics tests when voting. Say, 5 MCQ? Failing to pass such simple tests, would invalidate such large swaths of the democrats' voting base - it would irrevocably alter the very nature of the Democratic party altogether. How's that sound? A very simple literacy civics MCQ test on election day? Hell, this might even change Government Schooling - maybe Democrats would, for once, put up or shut up? My guess is, they'd just change their platform and go full MIC conservative, they're already 80% of the way there. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
But that has never happened, has it? No, this is about your gloating and assertions that the Democratic Party is somehow out of touch...remember? That's what this is about. Democrats have accepted the the loss. Hillary and Obama have acknowledged the loss. Unlike Republicans who even before the ballots had been counted were threatening revolution if the ballot didn't go their way. As much as you want to make this about Democrats, it isn't. Yeah, Democrats are unhappy and rightfully so. Their side received the majority of the vote yet they lost because of the very undemocratic aspects of our election process. If the other shoe were on Trump, he and his followers would be claiming the election was rigged. Hell, they made that claim even before the ballots had been cast and repeated it all along.
And why do you think that was the case Joe? When Trump rally's had tens of thousands of supporters whereas a Clinton rally would have a few hundred - yet she was given a 99.98% chance of winning. The media's 'coverage' caused SOME Americans to begin to think there was something wrong - that the election was going to be stolen from them. A minority that the TV you watch to much of, made you think was something other than just that.
Maybe, but that doesn't matter. The data has already shown, if such a test were given, Republicans would gain an electoral advantage. Not that it matters. Unless they implement such criteria.
You dont think it would eliminate republicans? Do you think those laid off from factory/manufacturing/textile workers are somehow better? What about the numerous honky tonk towns and trailer park trash? What about the minimum wage worker? Do you think they are all democrats? Who is middle class to you? Doctors and lawyers? Hell no. Middle class are chockfull who live in nice suburbia because they are generally two income head of households these days. They are not intelligentsia. They could be in medical field, law enforcement, military, admin, mamufacturing, service etc. If you think this equates to mean they automatically must be literate or above average, you are naive and way off. You would be surprised at the income vs education ratio in real life. I know many people who make good money but they are far from literate, educated or critical thinkers. They are the same ones who believe fox news, religious etc. You've got to be kidding me. They know nothing except having been trained to do their job. lol Example, two married postal workers are in middle class bracket. Truck drivers make really good money too. Walmart managers. Have you spoken to them? All the real skill set required is to be able to count money/basic math and speak english or spanish is a bonus. This is the same for most jobs. They just train you, democrat or republican, does not matter. lol Remember, those democrat protesters are mostly college students from good homes, mostly middle, upper-middle to upper class backgrounds fighting for everyone, including the disenfranchised and underdog. Hello?
Well fortunately we have some data here. Consumers of Republican entertainment are less well informed than folks who watch no news at all. So called "liberals" scored much higher.
NO, I've maintained that both the Republican and Democratic parties have lost touch with the people. They opened the door for Trump. That's what's so frustrating. that nobody wants to recognize the problem, and even worse, they refuse to accept responsibility. The Democrats sunk their own ship when they placed Hillary at the helm. They want to blame everybody and everything, but the blame really points at them and them alone. Rather than protesting, they should be flogging themselves in the streets. That would be justice. There are not enough expletives to express how I'm feeling right now. I'm hoping a viable third party rises from this election and displaces both the Dem's and Rep's, because I see nobody learning from what has taken place. I also remember the response from the left when Trump made his assertion. Would Trump and his supporters taken to the streets? We will never know. All we know for certain is how the left reacts when they lose an election.
If your election system was more representative of the people and not the states, most of the USA.s issues regards welfare, disenfranchisement, etc would be more or less solved IMO. At the moment you have a pseudo state representative system...and that is why there is so much disconnect in the population.
It worked out really well for the Southern states in the early 1860's. My point is that there's no reason to think that the US Federal Government is any more willing to let states leave the Union today than they were in the Civil War. The growth of top-down rule from the center (Washington) to the periphery (the little people) has been almost continuous since then. I don't see any way that states could opt out now. So do I. Here in California, I haven't noticed any huge sentiment to leave the United States here in Silicon Valley. Many of the people around here voted for Hillary and like gentry-liberals everywhere, they are unhappy with how the election turned out. (Blue-collar Democrats aren't unhappy, they are the ones who abandoned the Democrats to vote for Trump.) But the talk of Calexit is just the gentry-liberals' way of wanking-off, their way to make themselves feel better. I don't think that the vast majority of them really mean it seriously. It's their way of convincing themselves that even if the United States has changed course and moved in a direction they absolutely loathe (without having the slightest understanding of it), California is still their turf. This is just their way of pissing on the nearest fire-hydrant to mark territory. Actually, if California left, it would take away those 50 Democrat electoral votes from each US Presidential election in the future. And it's true that California does have most of the means to make it as an independent country. So it might be best for both sides if Californians, or at least the wealthier coastal ones who tilt left, got their chance to create their little socialist paradise (for as long as they can hold it from their erstwhile Mexican allies who want it to be Aztlan) while the rest of the United States got on with the principles of liberty that the US was originally founded on. Never gonna happen though. It's a fantasy.
Hillary sunk her campaign prospects when she selected Kaine as her running mate. She doubled down on the status quo. She should have had more ideological diversity on her ticket to make her ticket even stronger. Republicans were blaming everyone else before they won. So it's more than a little hypocritical for Republicans to complain about Democrats complaining about losing when Republicans did the same complaining as recently as one week ago. Trump and his supporters have been complaining about losing the election for nearly the entirety of his campaign. You don't remember all the Republican, i.e. Trump, complaints about a "rigged" system even before ballots had been cast? Further, it's legitimate for Democrats to complain because even though they received the most votes, they lost the election. That shouldn't happen in a democracy. It's not going to happen. Ross Perot came close before he went batty. You don't need a 3rd party. What we need is electoral reform. We need to change the way we elect or public officials, and we need better informed voters. We need to take the special interest money out of our polity and we need some serious ethics reforms for both elected and appointed officials. Our elected officials should not have conflicts of interest. But they do; they have lots of them. And the left has acted very responsibly. We saw how poorly Republicans reacted in 2000 when we had a similar situation. If the Republican controlled Supreme Court had allowed vote recounts, a Democrat would have won that election. Democrats won the popular vote in 2000 and 2016 but lost the election. That's how things work in Russia not the USA.
