Protoplasmic Crud

Discussion in 'The Cesspool' started by lightgigantic, Oct 15, 2007.

  1. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    lg,

    Do you subscribe to the idea that there exists an objective reality that is independent of mind and that is capable of being known?

    The problem I'm trying to overcome is your concept of direct perception of an object that bypasses the senses and is not merely a thought you have generated yourself. If the object you claim is independent of your mind then there should be a means of independent verification.
     
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  3. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    You are clearly missing the role of qualification in assessing the nature of any evidence or claims regarding what is or is not reality. To a highschool dropout, electrons are not real. How can you hope to assess the reality or existence of things that are beyond your ability to approach without the proper training?

    See? Who needs LG anymore? I have a patented LG response for anything you care to bring up.
     
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  5. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    super,

    Yeh I know, oh well. You're right it is time to move on.
     
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  7. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    It's hard though. It's like some kind of compulsion...

    Must... resist... temptation to debate... with... ... LG! Arrrggghhhh!
     
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  9. Godless Objectivist Mind Registered Senior Member

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    Not really hard to avoid LG, I've been here quite a while and I hardly ever respond to any come back LG posts, VitalOne is moving in the same direction, not worthy of having any meaningful discussions, since they both pretty much delusional beyond any reconciliation!

    The military term is FUBAR their mind is a total FUBAR and that's what the problem is. "FukUpBeyonAnyRecognition"
    I suppose in a way is not their fault since they probably been brain washed since childhood!
     
  10. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    That was... spooky! :shiver:
    It was as if LG had spoken through you... that you had received the spirit of LG and spoken in tongues... or at least words not your own!

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    Does that mean I have to licence it from you if I want to use it??? Doh!
     
  11. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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  12. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    Supe

    great - perhaps now we can move onto a different argument apart from the narrow minded approach of atheistic empiricism

    (since you are still saying things like

    Given the fact that religions are convoluted man-made labrynths of self delusion

    it appears that I am notthe only one with a few repetitive habits)

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  13. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    Cris
    certainly - so does empiricism
    perhaps I didn't explain myself clearly

    the argument from theism is that the senses are not the final last word of our selves - IOW our ability to have functional senses is dependent on the mind and our ability to have a functional mind is dependent on consciousness - IOW sense perception is not the same for everyone since there are differences of mind (like education for eg - forensic detective, physicist etc) and differences of consciousness (anger/lust/wrath/etc)
    certainly
    your question tends to indicate a lack of theoretical understanding - for instance suppose we were discussing horses, the first thing is that there must be an agreed understanding of what qualifies for the category of "horse".
    In the same way, there is not much point in discussing how to see god without first understanding what "god" means

    as for the process being indefinable, its actually quite straight forward eg -

    BG 4.10 Being freed from attachment, fear and anger, being fully absorbed in Me and taking refuge in Me, many, many persons in the past became purified by knowledge of Me—and thus they all attained transcendental love for Me.
     
  14. Donnal Registered Member

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    lightgigantic thas so beautiful
     
  15. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    I knew it! It really is all about ME! I rule! Yesssss!
     
  16. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    lg,

    And where such a state of mind and belief cannot be differentiated from a personal delusion.

    My last point about this was not about how you could demonstrate such a difference to me but how would you demonstrate to yourself that you are not deluded. Do you have any such safety mechanism? And if not how do you know you are not deluded?
     
  17. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    lg,

    I fully appreciate that our minds can construct and create entirely new ideas and concepts without the direct use of senses. This is indeed the area of imagination that gives rise to the notions of gods and souls. What the mind cannot do on its own is verify whether such concepts and ideas have any representation in reality.
     
  18. Devildriver_rocks Registered Member

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    i'm not going to argue with you people all i'm going to say is that evolution happened whether you like it or not the big bang happened deal with it and life goes no where because god does not exist and has no plan for anyone i have a challenge for you pray to this supposed god for some one who is termanilly ill ask him to make a miracle and heal them and i'm 100% positive he'll give you a deaf ear and not help because he doesn't exist or if he does he just doesn't care
     
  19. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    Devildriver,

    While evolution is fact, big bang theory is currently seriously broken. For BB to be true some 96% of the universe must comprise dark matter and dark energy, of which there is absolutely no sign. The math for BB simply doesnt work without these fantasy substances.
     
  20. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Evidence
     
  21. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    Interesting.
     
  22. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    (Q),

    Closer look shows thier claim of "direct" proof somewhat premature. It remains a speculation of the interpretation of their observations and not a direct observation.
     
  23. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    it would be interesting to hear how you prove to yourself that you are not deluded about anything.

    For instance even to say something as simple as the world actually exists is impossible to establish without accepting something a priori



    unless you have direct perception that god and souls do not exist you are using your imagination to make such a claim.
    With theism, however there is the claim of direct perception (which does involve the mind and the senses) and also a process to attain such a state (namely purify the consciousness) - do deny both is simply an issue of opinion (at best)
     

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