Putin's Puppet

Discussion in 'Politics' started by joepistole, Dec 12, 2016.

  1. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    If Putin is so great, why did he have to rig Russian elections to just barely win? 25,000 people protested his election in Russia due to fraud that was captured on video.
     
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  3. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    LOL...Who is we comrade? Don't you mean Putin...nothing will bring Putin down?

    What we have is an egotistical stooge who has reversed just about every one of his campaign promises. The mainstay of the Trump's campaign was his wall. Now it's not so much of a wall as it is a fence, and instead of Mexico paying for it, we are going to pay for it. Before torture was great, but now not so much because a general told him it really wasn't such a good idea. During the campaign he was going to lock Clinton up, it was often repeated slogan at his campaign rallies. He and his supporters would always yell, "lock her up". Now, it's lock who up?

    And then their is his promise to loosen up liability laws making it easier to sue people, and now not so much. Probably because Trump would be the target of those suits and he would lose his ass because he is the biggest liar I have ever seen, and I've seen a lot of liars in my time. And then there is Trump's promise to drain the swamp. Based on what he has done since being elected, he has done nothing but fill the swamp. He has stuffed his cabinet and closest advisers with lobbyists and special interests, and he's attempting to push his nominees through before they have made all the necessary disclosures. Trump has done nothing to drain the swamp and done everything to fill it.

    Trump is the least transparent president in my lifetime. He hasn't disclosed any of this financial and conflicts of interest as his predecessors have done. But from what we do know, he has many, including the hotel he just opened up in Washington, DC. From the limited information we have, we know Trump has business dealings with many shady characters around the globe.

    And the list goes on, and Trump hasn't even taken office. The only think Trump has been steadfast about is his devotion to Putin, and that is odd and disconcerting. What does Putin have on Trump? While Trump expects loyalty from his subordinates, Trump isn't a loyal kind of guy. So what does Putin have over Trump to command such devotion. Trump's devotion to Putin is coming at a very high price. Trump is spending a lot of political capital in order to maintain his relationship with Putin. There has to be a good reason for the devotion and it's not love and peace, because Trump isn't a love and peace hippy kind of guy.
     
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  5. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    If 25,000 protesters protested than why did Clinton was seen there just before these protests started? Coincidence? No
     
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  7. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    That doesn't make sense comrade.
     
  8. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    So what? Did she say something in error? Don't Russians have a conscience too?
     
  9. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    You do realize Obama is a complete lie? Obamacare for everyone with choice? A Lie, its super expensive and people mostly dont have a provider choice.

    Low unemployment rate? Yeah right its just a statistics manipulation game, the real number is close to 10%

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/real-unemployment-rate-95

    Trump will Succeed, so dont fear.
     
  10. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    Dont play silly, Clinton goes to start revolutions and spark protests in countries she doesnt like the current regime in. Russians love Putin and stand firmly with his choices.
     
  11. Kittamaru Giving up this insanity for Lent - back ~ 4/15 Staff Member

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    You are either terrifyingly paranoid, or intentionally lying. No, the jobless figures are not a lie (or are you claiming Obama has the authority to make dozens of independent agencies, including non-government ones, all report the same supposed lie?). Obamacare is expensive, yes... because REPUBLICANS blocked funding for a provision of it that would have helped stem the cost increases from suddenly having tens of millions of more people being able to get treatment after years of not being able to. No SHIT it is expensive - you have what, 40 million? people who for the last decade or more haven't been able to afford even basic preventative care... and suddenly they have the chance to go for a checkup, among who knows how much else they need. Guess what - it costs money to have a healthy citizenry!

    Oh, it also doesn't help:

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    It is fairly telling that several of them had raises of around or even OVER 100%... doubling multi-million dollar salaries. No wonder this shit costs so much.
     
  12. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Right, because there is nothing the Russian people like more than a minor Democratic senator from NY.
     
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  13. Kittamaru Giving up this insanity for Lent - back ~ 4/15 Staff Member

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    Of course they do... their options are "stand with Putin" or "die"...
     
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  14. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    And what revolutions has Clinton started? Please do be specific and provide credible evidence which would lead a reasoned person to that conclusion. But we both know you cannot, because your assertion just isn't true.

    Again, fact and reason are still important outside your beloved Mother Russia and outside neo-fascist movements, e.g Republican Party.
     
  15. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Putin is such a nice guy. He gives his people a choice, and he treats them like mushrooms. He feeds them shit and keeps them in the dark.
     
  16. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Do you have evidence to back up your assertion? No. You never do, because none exists. Obama isn't a complete lie. Your beloved Trump lies all the time. Seventy percent of Trump's assertions are completely false. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

    Compare that to Obama's numbers: 26%.

    I guess you know nothing about Obamacare, either that or you are a paid Russian troll. Again, do you have any credible evidence to back up your assertion? You don't. You never do, because none exists. You are blindly repeating what others have told you or flat out lying. Obamcare provides people with lots of choices. They have as many choices, and more, than they had before Obamacare. That's a fact Youreyes. Before Obamacare millions of people couldn't even get health insurance, much less affordable insurance, and now, thanks to Obamacare, they can.

    Healthcare was expensive before Obamacare. Healthcare has been growing at more than twice the rate of income growth for decades. You don't have to be a genius to figure out that's not a sustainable healthcare model. Thanks to Obamacare the rate of increases has lessened. That's a good thing. That's not a bad thing. Under Obamacare some people get free healthcare. Some are paying only a hundred dollars a month or less for first class healthcare insurance.

    If you had logged in the the exchange website you would know your assertion is 100% blatant bullshit.

    Yeah, the unemployment rate is very low. The nation is at or near full employment. The unfortunate fact for you is that the US unemployment rate is at historic lows. Labor statistics are compiled the same old ways by the same old civil service government bureaucrats. There is nothing political about them. If you know anything about America comrade, you should know about the American Civil Service. It has been around for a long time and it has been very effective. Unfortunately for you comrade, the US isn't yet a 3rd world country like your beloved Mother Russia.

    CNS, i.e. Conservative News Service, is a fake news site. So you prefer fake news over real news. That's par for the course. Denial and deception are Putin's favorite tactics: tactics shared by American neo-fascists, i.e. Republicans. It's high time to call a spade a spade.

    Below is a chart of the real unemployment rate for your edification:

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    Trump will succeed in doing what exactly? Please do be specific. Will he succeed in destabilizing the world? Maybe, the jury is still out on that one.
     
  17. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Yes health insurance is super expensive an costs way more than it needs to... an i cant wait for Jan. 20 when Trump dumps Obamacare an can then finaly reveal his plan which will cover everbody... cover at least the same thangs that Obamacare covers... everbody can choose the provider they want... an last but not least... costs less.!!!

    That alone will make Turmp loved an gurantee that he will be a 2 term president.!!!
     
  18. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Trump is Putin's greatest weakness...this is going to be fun....

    "But Boss, I thought you said you wanted to look at one of our ICBM's?"

    Seriously, Trump is so incompetent that any relationship he might have with Putin would have to be deemed a liability. Why Putin would need someone like Trump is very telling...

    Perhaps Putin's assassination squad has been activated because of Trumps spreading lies about Putin's generosity. (chuckle)
     
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  19. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    I'm totally OK with improved relations with Russia, but not under Putin. He's not someone we can trust.
     
  20. Kittamaru Giving up this insanity for Lent - back ~ 4/15 Staff Member

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    He'd have to have a plan first... What's going to happen is they are going to repeal the ACA and leave millions of people hanging in the wind...
     
  21. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    So who would you "democratically" insert, in Maidan style paid coup, into Kremlin? Peace loving McCain?
     
  22. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    And where did Spidergoat write anything that would lead you to that conclusion? You are making stuff up again comrade. If Mother Russia wants better relations with Western powers, including the US, then it needs to change its behavior as has been previously pointed out to you.

    Putin destroyed whatever credibility he once had with Western powers when he began illegally invading, occupying, and annexing the lands of his weaker neighbors. So it will be very difficult for Putin to earn back that trust. It might even be impossible. But the West, including the US, really doesn't care. The West isn't dependent upon your beloved Mother Russia. It doesn't need your beloved Mother Russia, especially now when there is a glut of oil and natural gas on the markets. Russia needs the rest of the world. The world doesn't need your beloved Mother Russia.

    If your beloved Mother Russia wants better relations with the West, Mother Russia needs to begin acting like a responsible member of the world community of nations. It needs to stop menacing other nations. Russia, i.e. Putina, needs to give back the lands it has illegally annexed. It's not difficult.

    But that's not what your beloved Mother Putina wants. Putina wants Western powers to bow to his will and to allow him to menace his neighbors without fear of retribution.

    Additionally, if Russians want to replace Mother Putina in a "Maidan style coup", that's a matter for Russians. The people of Russia have the right to decide who governs and represents them, just as Ukrainians have the right to determine who governs and represents them.

    But I think we both know Putin will not willingly give up power. He can't. Like other dictators, Putin can never give up political power. Because if he did, he most certainly run the risk of being imprisoned for his crimes. That's a risk no dictator can take. That's why Putin's men stuffed ballots and manipulated the election results and resulted in widespread protesting on Russian streets. That's why Putin controls the media in Russia. That's why

    Further, where is your evidence the "Maidan" was paid for? You have a habit of making shit up comrade.

    But we both know Putin can never relinquish power in Russia. Because if he did, his crimes would become known, and his butt would be thrown in jail and perhaps even executed for his crimes. Putin suffers the burdens of a typical 3rd world dictator. He can never release power. That's why he went to extraordinary measures during his last Russian election and flat out cheated. That's why his men stuff ballots and manipulated the vote totals. Putin can never voluntarily release power, because he knows he would be prosecuted for his many crimes.

    The West, and the US in particular, don't need a new Russian leader. They can sit there and let Russia rot with Putin at its head. Russia cannot do the same. Russia's economy keeps shrinking. Eventually some Russians probably sober up, and that's what Putin fears most.
     
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  23. Kittamaru Giving up this insanity for Lent - back ~ 4/15 Staff Member

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    Tread carefully... you are continually twisting what others have said (such as this latest example) and ignoring posts/facts that you cannot dispute in favor of restating your preferred narrative.

    Do recall:
     
  24. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Speaking of rules, why denigrate Russians like that?
     

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