Q-reeus complains about being moderated

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  1. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    The following pulls in an at first seemingly irrelevant but actually crucial reference to another sub-forum posting. Bear with it.

    Courtesy of James R's underhanded vengeful mindset, I was given a totally UNANNOUNCED (minor caveat below) 3-day 'break' beginning Sep 11, likely at ~ 1:39 PM GMT. Maybe uniquely here at SF, NO customary/obligatory email alert linking to a 'conversation', detailing the alleged reason for such a ban, was received. Quite unlike the case for the preceding two 'warnings' for alleged 'hate speech'.
    Well, there was discovered, once I could after 3-full days of banning log in successfully, a 'conversation' detailing my alleged 'hate crimes'. With the expected stern warnings - but NO mention there of a 3-day imposed ban. Anyway JR knew damn well that 'conversation' was completely inaccessible to me until the full 3-day ban had expired. In the interim, no-one else but forum hierarchy could have been aware.

    By chance the cunningly hidden in plain sight, notional-only excuse for such a ban was uncovered here:
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/de...tionally-a-silent-crisis.164635/#post-3683406
    Thread locked Aug 20. James R's #5 red letter 'new warning notice' for alleged 'hate speech' added 22 days later - Sep 11, 1:39 PM (hence the above time estimate for ban implementation).
    In fact the sole 'warning message' was a sparse notice, on trying to log in, not long after JR's disingenuous '7 questions' posting #5172, that read in full:

    "You have been banned for the following reason: Rules violations. Your ban will be lifted on Sep 14, 2021."

    Not a word about 'hate speech'. Hence JR was plain lying with his red letter, 22 days after thread locking, 'warning message' claiming I HAD been warned. He made sure there was no email alert even to that additional post there. Hence expecting I would not discover his nominally extremely out of date 'warning message' = 3-day ban, till at least 3 days later (as per above).

    And the true reason for that 22-day out of date 'warning message' = 3-day ban, for alleged 'hate speech'? Not hard to figure. The trigger doubtless being my harsh but accurate denunciation in #5170. And so a revenge plot was evidently hatched. Post a 'penetrating' 7 question response to my #5170 (posted Sep 11, 2021 at 1:27 PM). His #5172, - time stamped Sep 11, 2021 at 1:56 PM.

    Posted ~ 17 minutes AFTER having enacted the carefully secreted and disguised 3-day ban as per above, Sep 11, 2021 at ~ 1:39 PM.

    How neat. Starve your intended victim of any reasonably anticipated way to figure what has been actually going on, AND give everyone visiting here the impression I had no answers for the vacuous post #5172, or had just quit. True motivation and perfidy revealed clearly via the all-too-convenient, clearly linked TIMING of above highlighted post time-stamps. Ironically, fully justifying the trigger for such - my #5170.

    But it's evident from the subsequent JR supportive responses, in full awareness of the preceding exchanges, that 'good standing' with forum hierarchy takes precedence for many, pretty well synonymous with PC correctness. Good luck to those choosing that path. I have different leanings.

    Particularly since James R's humiliating unfolding debacle here:
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/traveling-toward-a-light-source.160434/
    , every opportunity to try and portray me as an irrational 'woo believer' has been attempted, the bulk of such attacks occurring here in 'In defence of space aliens' thread.

    Which leads into finally being able to give JR's #5172 the little attention it deserves:

    Content of which is just typical signature James R disingenuous trash. He may pretend there to be an imbecile who can't understand the obvious. That paranormal/supernatural phenomena is by it's very nature beyond human understanding. Nevertheless such diverse phenomena can and often have severely impacted many individuals affected by such. It's been explained many times but for his own egotistical ends JR chooses to continually obfuscate the clear distinction. Once again, a classic case study JR refused to view, sensing to do so would lead to an uncomfortable confrontation with hard-to-refute cumulative testimony, from a variety of responsible and reliable witnesses:


    As covered elsewhere, the above two are complimentary - neither capturing all the picture though each encapsulating the essentials.

    James R - imo a vindictive, devious, disingenuous fraud. That craftily hidden-in-plain-sight, 22-days out of date post:
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/de...tionally-a-silent-crisis.164635/#post-3683406
    , is obviously intended as a trip-wire that 'formally' sets me up for a permanent ban.

    JR elsewhere claimed no intention to life ban me because 'I was too entertaining'. But one senses that schizophrenic outlook has shifted strongly to an even earlier post where he encouraged me to just depart SF. Make up your mind JR. You know I won't be begging for any 'leniency'.
     
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  3. Bells Staff Member

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    I am going to suggest you stop right there.

    You started a thread, and suggested people use search engines that cannot be tracked or traced, and then suggested they look up a white supremacist conspiracy theory that was originally devised by a neo-Nazi and holocaust denier and then started to prattle on about replacement theory and linked an Elon Musk video and tried to badly tie it all in together.

    To put it bluntly, you posted racist, white supremacist, bullshit and you were caught. It's not the first time either.

    Two moderators flagged the thread. James gave you an infraction and due to your accrued points (for hate speech because of the white supremacist bullshit you have taken to spouting in another thread), you received a 3 day ban. And in case you weren't aware, posting white supremacist bullshit is a "rule violation".

    Frankly, it was lenient. As far as I am concerned, you should have been banned permanently for what you posted. Especially since it was not a one off incident.

    Given how in this obscene thread that you decided to start to whine about what you saw as the replacement of white Europeans - literally a conspiracy theory created by a neo-Nazi and Holocaust denier, you had even flagged how you were fairly certain that this was going to be taken as it was clearly taken and intended, which clearly indicated that you knew what you were doing, you are hardly in a position to complain about how this ban somehow or other came out of the blue.

    The other two infractions you received was based on actioning of reports about your hate speech. There's no "supposed" here. You were posting white supremacist hate speech on this site. You were posting crap that could see us banned in some countries. Sometimes it takes a while to get to these reports.

    On a side note..

    When you are banned, you cannot access or post things on this site, and yes, that includes PM's. That's just the way the software is written.

    As for his responding to you in this thread.. You were gone for 3 days. He probably figured you'd come back at some point.

    .....

    I could say that you should be ashamed of yourself or even embarrassed for what you have posted on this site. But I don't think you are capable of that form of self reflection.

    So yeah! I'd strongly suggest you stop right there. What you posted was abhorrent, repulsive and obscene. It was racist.

    It's not allowed here, it won't be tolerated here and you even try to go down that route again, I'll boot you permanently and you won't get a written note about it in your PM. And trust me, I have zero patience.




     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Moderation disputes really belong in the Open Government forum.
     
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  7. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    I'm sure you meant the best there wegs, but unfortunately it completely misses the mark re my 5183. Stay well.
     
  8. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    Well, clearly no room to even attempt to debate the accuracy and fairness of that piece. In a way I'm glad the utter intolerance for free airing of non PC views presented there stands as a permanent record. Chilling imo. But that's me. Cheers.
     
  9. Bells Staff Member

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    What you were posting was neo-Nazi white supremacist bullshit. It is literally the stuff Holocaust deniers and the KKK and the like believe in.

    Perhaps you should take your tiki torch and find a forum that's more suited to your white hood wearing ways and beliefs. Because what you are trying to peddle here is not welcome or tolerated here.
     
  10. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    Am I permitted to say "So you stridently assert"? Trust me, I DO GET THE MESSAGE! This forum's nonnegotiable political/ideological position, and enforcement thereof, has been made CRYSTAL CLEAR. Enough?
    Maybe someone can get this thread back on track with actual UFO/UAP etc. content.
     
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  11. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Fucking gay as fuck!
     
  12. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Q-reeus:

    I see you are whining as usual, blaming other people for you own actions rather than taking responsibility and acting like a mature adult. Worse, you've decided to trying telling some lies about me and about how I dealt with you. You shouldn't do that. It's immature in the extreme and you ought to apologise to me.

    You have been a member here for how long? Years, at least, right? And yet, you want readers to believe that you're entirely unfamiliar with how our warnings and bans system operates? It's a stretch. I mean, it's possible that you're that stupid and unfamiliar with our site rules, but I doubt it. So who do you think you're fooling, then?
    As a member, you are expected to be aware of our site posting guidelines and to abide by them. If things come to the point of you being issued with an official warning by a moderator, then you must have seriously crossed the line somewhere. It ought to go without saying that posting hate speech is one of the more obvious ways to cross the line.

    Our warning process is clear. You get a "free ride" without being banned, up to the point where you accrue 50 active warning points. Past that point, automatic bans start kicking in. If the problematic behaviour persists past that point, those bans get progressively longer, until eventually you can be permanently banned.

    It beggars belief that you were previously unaware of this.
    You received a private message explaining exactly what the issued warning was before, as on previous occasions. Moreover, a post was made in the thread in which the warning was issued, explaining what warning was given and why.
    The bans are automatic if you have more than 50 active warning points. Your notification that you were banned would have been obvious when you next tried to log in. Duh!
    Yes. I knew that. So what?
    No. There is an entire subforum for the moderators that is invisible to you. Moreover, the report queue is visible and accessible to all moderators at all times.

    I know that, on learning this, you will conclude that there is a moderator conspiracy against you. That will just be one more crazy conspiracy theory to add to your long list, so I will not attempt to convince you otherwise. You wouldn't believe me anyway, despite the fact that I have never lied to you.
    There was nothing "alleged" about it, as you ought to be aware.

    I get it. You're an anti-semitic bigot. I don't really want to know what other odorous views you might simultaneously hold. What I do care about is that you do are not given free rein to spread your favourite far right conspiracy theories on sciforums.

    I realise, too, that your being censured here is likely to drive somebody like yourself to become more extreme, rather than less. I sincerely hope that you do not fall further down the rabbit hole into the right-wing extremist universe you appear to have stumbled upon. There is a multitude of bad actors out on the internet who will feed you lies and propaganda and try to channel your anger for their own evil ends. Try to be better than to get sucked into that. Far too many of your compatriots are already heading down that path, or else are already hopelessly lost in that crap. Try to think critically, for once. Please.
    That is an automated message, imposed if you are automatically banned because you have accumulated too many active warning points.

    It is you who is telling lies, not me.

    You have previously received a warning for exactly the same offense, as you are well aware.
    Not hard at all. You posted hate speech, twice, and for some reason expected a different outcome the second time than the one you got the first time. Hardly my fault that you were unable to learn what was inappropriate after it was explained to you the first time.
    Posting here is a privilege, not your right. If you are unable or unwilling to remain "in good standing", in regards to our rule set, you will be leaving us, sooner or later. That is an obvious fact.

    If bigotry and racism is more you thing that the hateful "political correctness" you deride, then I, for one, don't want you here. The question is: why do you still want to be here? You disapprove of the way we run things. You believe we're limiting your right to freely express yourself. So why are you here? Why don't you leave?
    Obviously, your morals are completely screwed up. Somebody has convinced you that black is white, good is bad, etc.

    What's wrong with you?

    Let's hope you can grow up and be better than you are right now. I haven't entirely given up hope yet. I believe you can do it if you try.

    You might want to start by doing the right thing and apologising to me, sincerely.

    I probably did. That was a flippant remark, because you take yourself far too seriously most of the time. Developing the ability to recognise your own weaknesses and imperfections is one of those things that makes you into a responsible, mature, adult. You ought to try it.

    I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings there.
    I don't intend to ban you. There's no conspiracy at work here, and there's no target on your back. If you get banned - or if you want to be banned - that will be your choice. Stop blaming the other guy for your own actions. It's not like you're the only one. This forum, alone, has a lot of ex-members who decided that is was more important for them to act up than to remain a member here. You might be just one more of those, and you're always free to make that choice if you want to.

    The other thing to say, which ought to be equally blindingly obvious, is that you're free to choose to leave any time you like. There's no need to get yourself banned. If you've lost interest or you don't want to post here any more because you're deeply disgruntled, or whatever, then you can always just leave and never come back (or come back at some later time of your own choosing, perhaps).

    I'm often bemused by the need some people have to grandstand and try for the Big Flashy Exit. Those people seem to see getting permanently banned from here as a weird badge of glory, or something, like they need our stamp of disapproval in order to feel validated as a person. When they get themselves removed from our forum they proclaim loudly that "you'll never take my FREEDOM!", all the while displaying immense neediness - a pathetic desire to be the centre of attention for a brief moment, like a supernova that flares and dies pathetically. Are you that guy, Q-reeus? You sure put a lot of effort into publicising your disgruntlement with the forum in general and moderators in particular.
     
  13. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    No surprise James R after brooding for quite some time, managed to invent some spin that invariably put him in a good light and me in a bad one. Totally avoiding dealing with the central claim - as per red highlighted time stamps! More snip snipping of posts to a backwater. A waste of my time to have to read that #9 post here.
    And no intent on answering in detail as it would only invite an interminable series of further time wasting exchanges. Which thing James R loves but I hate. Cheerio.
     
  14. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Here's something to consider as a possibility: James R has a life outside of sciforums.

    Do you?
    Unable to refute any of the content of my post, you have chosen not to do the decent thing and apologise for your appalling lack of decent manners and civility, but instead to double down once again on your immature behaviour.

    When will you grow up, Q-reeus?

    Is there anything else I can help you with, or are we done here?
     
  15. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    Ha ha ha ha. You know better. I've explained why last post. Best indeed to just end this now.
     
  16. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Well, that was unproductive. Thread closed.
     
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