Questions about Immunization

Eugene Shubert said:
Don't you understand that this video is making fun of the believers in the ludicrous, official, government-approved, 9/11 conspiracy theory?
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Yeah I do understand that.

I watched your video "What in the World Are They Spraying?" I have seen some of this before but couldnt remember the names. Just so I could go back and review things that caught my eye, I wrote down clips that interested me.
3:50 - 4:50. Real. Makes sense the military would want to develop radar thwarting tools.
9:00 - 10:00 Interesting response to a question.
23:00 - appears to be legitimate test results.
29:30 - same as above
39:45 - when my grandpa got Alzheimers, aluminum was tossed around then. He worked in a foundry for many years. So far none of his kids show symptoms and they are all 60+.
40:41 - Interesting.
49:20 - I dont know how you explain aluminum in this kids system.

And thats where I quit making notes. So I did a quick search on a couple of the names. G. Edward Griffen. He is fringe material and I am skeptical of his ability to objectively examine his hypothesis.

Francis Mangels was a bit more interesting with his background. However as this link suggests, he also does not appear to be very objective:

https://www.metabunk.org/the-claims-of-francis-mangels-a-factual-examination.t154/

Post #6 gives a good visual example of possible mistakes.

Personally, I have never seen the contrail phenomena. I have seen some of the videos and its not my sky experience. I dont spend much time looking for it, but the plane exhaust I have seen falls under my normal expectations.

This spring I worked with a woman who believes vaccines triggered the severe autism in her child. She is not irrational in her views and immunized the kid born after this, and after the autism was diagnosed. She described to me the internal conflict when making that decision, going for, "the greater good". Her quarrel? It is an extreme burden on her family caring for this child. Its not the fact (for her) that the immunization caused the autism, its the abandonment of the system in providing for this damage that seems caused in the name of the greater good... and finally:
in 2011, an additional 47,500 children were newly paralysed in the year, over and above the standard 2/100,000 non-polio AFP that is generally accepted as the norm. (32-33). it is sad that, even after meticulous surveillance, this large excess in the incidence of paralysis was not investigated as a possible signal, nor was any effort made to try and study the mechanism for this spurt in non-polio AFP.
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The above is related to the anti-vaccine reports of 47,000 kids... Its their source.

http://www.whale.to/v/polioaccuteflacid.pdf

Took me a while to find the above. But its there. And it makes me wonder about

That’s because D68 is related to the virus that causes polio,
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http://www.webmd.com/children/news/20140929/paralysis-kids-enterovirus-d68

At the end of it all, I can only say, I dont know. It is true there are people in positions of power/policy that think there are too many people. It is true our government has implemented experiments on civilians without consent or knowledge in the not so distant past. And the term "for the greater good" is often used to justify less-than-desirable solutions to a perceived problem.

But if I go on a trip, I will check out immunizations required and suggested. I will get a measles booster (for example). But I wont get 9 different shots at once. Just in case.
 
milkweed said:
This spring I worked with a woman who believes vaccines triggered the severe autism in her child. She is not irrational in her views and immunized the kid born after this, and after the autism was diagnosed. She described to me the internal conflict when making that decision, going for, "the greater good". Her quarrel? It is an extreme burden on her family caring for this child. Its not the fact (for her) that the immunization caused the autism, its the abandonment of the system in providing for this damage that seems caused in the name of the greater good.
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Dr. Christopher Exley is an expert on aluminum toxicity and detoxification. According to him, many children seem to get better from their aluminum containing vaccines in 6 to 12 months by drinking silica rich mineral water.


There are published papers on this:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22763878
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22976072

Furthermore: Cilantro—also known as coriander or Chinese parsley—has been proven to chelate toxic metals (mercury, lead, and aluminum) from our bodies in a relatively short period of time.
 
Eugene Shubert said:
We are all inhaling nano-sized aluminum particles.
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I know thats where you stand. I view these clips and often try to seek out justifiable counter points. I dont know how else you can explain the aluminum in this organic pure-from-nature family (didnt they also say no vaccines?)...

They should have tested mom too. Just cuz now I am curious.

But then, with your follow up video with Exley, Did mom use sunscreen on the kid? Yeah, I know you dont put it on your head, but you can run your hands through your hair.
 
milkweed said:
I know thats where you stand. I view these clips and often try to seek out justifiable counter points. I dont know how else you can explain the aluminum in this organic pure-from-nature family (didnt they also say no vaccines?)...
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Yes, it was a no-vaccine family. I don't know more than what is in the videos.
 
Eugene Shubert said:
Yes, it was a no-vaccine family. I don't know more than what is in the videos.
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Ok, fair enough.

One thing about the Exley vid, I wonder if giving all kids a dose of silica mineral water every day or two should be looked into. I had no idea how much aluminum was in baby formula (along with other items mentioned).
 
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Eugene, you are more than just a little crackers. You do know that don't you?

But still I have started dropping in, just because the images of tin foil hats I get from the shear lunacy, sends me to bed with a smile.

Got to laugh a little every day.

But on a serious note, they did not have a chicken pox vaccine when I was growing up but I grew up in California and had every vaccine they make for kids... And then I grew up and started getting every vaccine available and recommended for travel.., including the shingles vaccine, not for travel but still everyone who did not get the chicken pox vaccine and did get chicken pox really should go out and get.., because the shingles is really really nasty.

I'm not autistic....., though I am sure there are a few round here figure I am off my rocker... Oh, and I can't remember the last time I was sick. Had to have been before I started getting the vaccines!.. Some fifty years ago now.
 
milkweed said:
Ok, fair enough.

One thing about the Exley vid, I wonder if giving all kids a dose of silica mineral water every day or two should be looked into. I had no idea how much aluminum was in baby formula (along with other items mentioned).
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It depends on how it is stored and prepared.

I don't know about giving babies silica mineral water and how they could tolerate it. You certainly should not be giving a newborn to 6-12 month something like that, as I doubt it would be something that is recommended. I remember being told to never give my kids mineral water and that under no circumstance, should any formula be mixed with mineral water. To the one, bottled mineral water is not sterile and to the other, they could be ingesting too many minerals they are not able to tolerate yet.

Aluminium occurs naturally in a variety of foods, fruits, and we are exposed to it. The issue they are finding in some baby formula is that some have more than others. They did find that the more highly processed the formula, the higher the aluminium content. As well as soya bean based formula, also had a higher than recommended aluminium levels.

Highest Al levels (up to 2346 micrograms/liter) were found in highly processed and modified formulas including soy formula, preterm infant formula, and formulas for specific metabolic disorders. Aluminum content of humanized cow milk formula and bottled glucose-electrolyte solution were between the two ranges and usually less than 400 micrograms/liter. There were no significant differences in Al content of similar products from different manufacturers. Liquid formula stored in glass bottles has highest Al content compared to that stored in steel cans or powder preparation of the same product (p less than 0.05). Thus there are marked differences in Al loading depending on the type of formula, whether it is a powder or liquid preparation and the type of storage container. We speculate that raw materials such as soybean, additives such as calcium and phosphorus, manufacturing processes and storage containers are potential sources of contamination of infant formulas.

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Breast milk also contains aluminium (as does cows milk and cows milk based products). It is naturally occurring but in low doses that fall below range. So aluminium absorption from breast milk falls within the acceptable and safe range.

What they have found is that in some of the baby formulas, the aluminium content is way too high. Soya based formula has some of the highest. You can read more about it here:

Chuchu, Nancy. "The Aluminium Content of Infant Formulas Remains Too High." BMC Pediatrics. N.p., 8 Oct. 2013. Web. 12 Sept. 2015. <http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2431/13/162>.

Aluminium levels in some formula is a concern. Parents should always consult with their doctor or the maternity nurse to discuss it and find out which one has the lowest levels and if they plan to not breastfeed and instead plan to bottle feed. At present, unless the baby is lactose intolerant and the mother is unable to breastfeed, then doing some research to find the soya formula with the lowest aluminium levels may be the best way to go.
 
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