Racist lady on Brit tram.

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  1. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Fuck that. You people are fucked.
     
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  3. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    Us white people?

    Except I don't think of myself as white. And I abhor racists.
     
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  5. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    This is the law she is being charged under:


    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/37/section/31

    Since she was arrested, she would appear to fall under either 1 a or 1 b (1 c is just a fine)

    Which means that she violated Section 4A of the Public Order Act of 1986

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/64/section/4A

    Which apparently means she could be fined and/or get up to 2 years in prison for her Tram outburst.

    Arthur
     
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  7. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    It's revolution time.
     
  8. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    She should have been arrested and charged with creating a public disturbance, plain and simple. It doesn't look like her rant was inspiring any of the fellow passengers to go out and kill foreign people (edit: nor people of non-caucasian descent- my apologies for not being more nuanced), quite the opposite, so I don't think it can be considered "incitement". If she went around screaming "f*** all fat people!" it would seriously offend a lot of passengers all the same, but what would the charges be in that case? If she had said what she had said but toned down the decibel level in a more private conversation with someone who actually wanted to engage her on the topic, she wouldn't get much more than dirty looks. In terms of actual harm caused to other people, I think futball/soccer hooligans are a more serious threat.
     
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  9. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Did you just skip reading the UK laws I just posted?

    There is no requirement that her rant incite anyone to do anything.

    Clearly she is in violation of Section 4A of the Public Order Act of 1986

    Since she was clearly harrassing people with insulting words and behaviour.

    And the penalty is increased because it was "Racially Aggravated" based on the Crime and Disorder Act 1998.
     
  10. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    No, I didn't skip over your post, and you do have an excellent knack for finding the essential core info underlying a given issue, even if you're pretty selective about the info you find relevant. I personally noted that the laws you cited pertain to racial and religious aggravation, and my argument is simply that it should be prosecuted purely as a case of creating a public disturbance, no more and no less. As for the incitement issue, that's generally the motivation behind curbing hate speech. I should broaden that to include incitement towards discrimination, not just violence.
     
  11. aaqucnaona This sentence is a lie Valued Senior Member

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    I cant believe almost 70% of the comments [on ytube] actually support her, like:

    "emma west for prime minister!
    she is a legend for having the balls to stand up against the parasites from aborad.
    she has nothing to be ashamed of."

    We even have one here but thats acceptable.
    But man, 70%!
    And I thought brits were a well educated, rational, athiestic/irreligious and pleasant bunch with only a wierd accent to complain about.
    Yes, I know she's a chav, but still, tell me, most of the guys aren't like this are they?
     
  12. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    In times of economic uncertainty insecure people seek scapegoats. Hitler built a career by using this weakness.
     
  13. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Remember that's a self selected sample.

    I think people who are disgusted by it are less likely to pass it on, while people who see that and agree with her pass it on to like minded people.
     
  14. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Especially stupid cunts.
     
  15. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    I mean think about it- stupid lady makes a racist verbal rant on a tram and could possibly get up to 2 years in prison as a result. Disproportionate, much? How about mandatory anger management counseling?
     
  16. aaqucnaona This sentence is a lie Valued Senior Member

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    Nailed it and nailed it well!
     
  17. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    We have newspapers called the Daily Mail and the Daily Express, which has articles every day about asylum seekers and illegal immigrants.

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    All that woman was doing was repeating what she reads in the newspapers, with a few choice words added.
    Why shouldn't she be allowed to say in her inarticulate way, what our august press can say without the police at their doors?
    She said nothing worse than they do, and abused no one in particular.

    If she doesn't plead guilty, this could become quite a circus.
    I think she could win.
     
  18. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, I think that covers it. I'm with nietzsche here, she has a right to her opinion no matter how dumb it is

    edit: on seeing the entire video, it doesn't even warrant a disturbance charge. A couple of people got pissed and responded for a couple of minutes. Most people just looked embarassed, like they wished they were elsewhere. Not really a big deal. The whole thing was for less than 3 minutes. I think the video was not even worth watching - the decision to arrest her was poorly thought out, its going to give unnecessary importance to basically, a moron

    @Capt. Kremmen: I like your posts in this thread.

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  20. Pincho Paxton Banned Banned

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    Some worrying posts even in a science forum???

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  21. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    How so?

    I posted the UK laws she was charged with breaking and it seems pretty clear she did so.

    If those laws had been passed in some PC town in the US and that same thing happened here, she could win, but she would do so only by proving the laws were unconstitutional under our 1st Amendment, which she could probably do since it is so open ended it protects our freedom to say the just about anything we want.

    But it would appear that the Crime and Disorder Act of 1998 is valid under your Article 10.

    So again, how do you think she could win?

    Arthur
     
  22. Anti-Flag Pun intended Registered Senior Member

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    You don't come on here much do you?

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  23. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    She is ignorant. She is stupid. She is a loud mouth. She is going to jail for it.

    These people are valuable litmus tests for freedom.
     

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