Racist lady on Brit tram.

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by aaqucnaona, Dec 7, 2011.

  1. Pincho Paxton Banned Banned

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    We are free, she isn't. You confuse freedom with instability.
     
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  3. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    A little clarity would be useful, are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me?

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    Yes. There is not much use for freedom of speech when it only applies to people whose opinions you agree with. The hardest part being defining the "you"

    Its interesting that the people around her did not even get excited enough to start an argument but youtube led to her arrest
     
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  5. Pincho Paxton Banned Banned

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    I don't believe in Freedom Of Speech. That would be my speech.
     
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  7. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    The Thought police are tracking your IP right now...
     
  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    okay. your speech has been revoked by censors - you are no longer allowed to participate in this thread. Get lost
     
  9. Pincho Paxton Banned Banned

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    The censors would abide by my new rule..

    'The Freedom Of Sensibility'
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Hmm I perceive someone who does not read Jane Austen

    Sensibility refers to an acute perception of or responsiveness toward something, such as the emotions of another

    I recommend a strong dose of reality

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  11. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    @adoucette

    Because she was only being racist in the way that some British newspapers are racist.
    I don't believe that she singled anyone out for abuse, and while swearing, I don't think she used any racist language.

    I think they will find it hard to make the aggravated part of it stick.
    Otherwise why don't they go and arrest the editors of the kind of rabble rousing newspapers that gave her most of her opinions.

    If the justice system can prosecute her for her opinions, then they should also prosecute the Press that repeats the same stuff every day, but in cleverer language.

    I shouldn't be surprised if the aggravated part of it is dropped.
     
  12. Pincho Paxton Banned Banned

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    Yes, take into consideration the emotions of other humans.
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    On the other hand there may be a national ban on "fuck off", newly designated as racial abuse
     
  14. Pincho Paxton Banned Banned

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    Should be considered as a legitimate offence.. yes.
     
  15. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    K enough b.s are you serious? Please be honest.
     
  16. Pincho Paxton Banned Banned

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    Yes, I'm serious, I would raise punishments in many areas. The world needs order. Swearing would be punished by litter cleaning etc.
     
  17. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    I declare war upon you.
     
  18. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    "Fucking Polish"
    "Fucking Blacks"
    "You're Black, you're not British" etc isn't racist?

    I doubt your papers publish that.


    Well I think the difference is that according to Article 10 Human Rights Act 1998: Freedom of Expression, a general opinion expressed in a newspaper has more protection than someone yelling insults at someone else on a Tram.


    Well there is that cleverer language defense (didn't work for Oscar Wilde though)

    Why do you think they denied her bail then?
     
  19. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    She was denied bail for her own protection.
    That's what they said on the news.

    I doubt she would refer to herself as English.
    She'd be far more likely to say:
    "Me , I'm Fucking English"
     
  20. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    That doesn't seem to agree with the reports that her solicitor asked for bail and it was denied.
     
  21. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    In America perhaps. In Great Britain, public harassment is not legal.
     
  22. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    In America, in many places, she would likely be asked to stop and face disorderly conduct charges if she didn't.
     
  23. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    Pincho, I think we ought to do that when to do so does not (EDIT!) compromise our own sense of ethics.
    But we aren't required to be nice to anybody.

    With S.A.M. on both points, nietzche on his...
    I believe people have a right to say the most inane things in public...and those of us who disagree can respond appropriately.

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    (I was with the Black Bloc...missed the mooning moment though...but still...good times

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