re; Oil Crrisis

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  1. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    I am posting this after reading 24 pages of a previous posting,"Oil Crisis" and some recent "main stream media" news blurbs. This is basically a theory that a half-dozen free thinkers and myself came up with in a brainstorming session in the early 1980's. Feel free to replace "Oil" in "Mr. Big Bidnezz Oil" with anything you care to.
    I would just like to hear some thoughts or suggestions or some insights into this 30 year old theory.

    Business - or in my eyes - "Big Bidnezz".
    See me as "Mr. Big Bidnezz Oil", If I make my Billions from Oil, that is my "Cash Cow", As the years go by, I would prefer that my "Profits" increase.I would also prefer that the "efficient use" of my product would NOT increase because "sales" and therefore "Profits" could possibly go down. Any "Information" or "Knowledge" of my "Commodity" or "Bidnezz" practices will be tightly controlled and kept from dissemination to the "Sheople".
    In this day and age "Mr. Big Bidnezz Oil" and "Mr. Big Bidnezz Bank" and "Mr. Big Bidnezz Food" and "Mr. Big Bidnezz Housing" and "Mr. Big Bidnezz Entertainment" and "Mr. Big Bidnezz Clothing" and "Mr. Big Bidnezz Machine" and "Mr. Big Bidnezz War" and "Mr. Big Bidnezz Religion"..."Mr. Big Bidnezz ...et al" all follow the exact same "Model" outlined in the "Big Bidnezz Bible". It should come as no surprise that all of these "Mr.'s" belong to the same "Clubs", "Organizations", "Associations" and, more often than not, "Sit" at the tables of each others "Board of Directors". Nor should it come as a surprise that these same "Mr.'s" also "Finance" the "Elections" of "Mr. Big Bidnezz Lawmaker" -more often than not achieving a "Mr. Big Bidnezz's" "Term" sitting in the "Big Chair" in the "Prized" "Oval Office" or any of the myriad of smaller "Chairs" around this Nation and around the world. At the very least these "Mr. Big Bidnezz's" end up in the "Mr. Big Bidnezz Lawmaker's" Administrations.
    All that being said, BEFORE the Oil completely runs out or becomes "TOO EXPENSIVE TO PROCURE" for these "Mr.'s" to maintain their "Profits", they will have a "Mr. Big Bidnezz Alternative Energy" in place to "Supply" you with what "They" have decided that you "Need" to continue the "Lifestyle" (or lack thereof !!?") that "They" have decided is "good enough" for you.
    If the day ever comes that oil is getting near "the Bottom of the Barrel" so to speak and "They" do not have a "Mr. Big Bidnezz Alternative Energy" groomed or prepared to be put in place to continue to reap "Their" "Profits" - then the "tap" for us will be shut off early. This will come on slowly and we will be indoctrinated by "Mr. Big Bidnezz Lawmaker" that it is "Best for Humanity" that we huddle in our poor hungry frozen masses and watch the "Mr.'s" continue "THEIR EXTRAVAGANT CHOSEN LIFESTYLEZ" until such a time that "They" come up with a solution for Humanity that will return "Their" "Profits" with whatever "new improved" "better for humanity" "Cash Cow" that "They" control and "Mandate" and can reap the "Profits" from.
    Until the "Mr.s" are removed from the equation - we have no choice but to sit back and drink the "Kool-Aid" that "They" dispense to us (at a great "PROFIT" I might add!!) or begin to ACTIVELY ENGAGE in re-writing the EQUATION!!
    Look around you, look closely, study intently, the people who are indeed "Sheople" can not hide the "Kool-Aid Mustache" that that stains their upper lip and is as easily as visible as the "Actors" who have allowed the milk mustache to be photo-shopped onto "Their" likeness for "Profit" in the "Got Milk" advertisements. Be prepared though - a true "Sheople" can not even see their own "Kool-Aid Mustache" no matter how intently they study their own reflection in their mirror. Be assured though that the "Mr.'s" see it instantly, without even a second glance - heck they no longer have to even look for it - because if you DO NOT have one, they probably know of you in advance, and will do all in "Their" power to never have to lay "Their" eyes upon you.
    "nuf sed, dmoe
     
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  3. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    That was really dumb. But there are elements of truth there that people have been talking about intelligently for some time, such as peak oil, and the power of money to distort our politics.
     
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  5. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    Of course it was Dumb. I, the Dumbest Man on Earth, posted it. But please, Mr. Spidergoat, would you care to elaborate?
    You seem to allow that "the power of money to distort our politics" may hold an "element of truth" - does this mean that I should take it to mean that the "power of money" can only "distort" politics, and nothing else in our life on this planet?
    I have read different theories on "Peak Oil", and also other theories that seem to postulate that some older depleted "wells" or "oilfields" have somehow replenished themselves and also that indeed it may not take millions or billions of years for "nature" to create these fossil fuels in the first place.
    Please enlighten me. I only posted this 30 year old "theory" after recent developments in "Hydraulic Fracturing" or "Fracking" and events in and around the Gulf of Mexico, both recently and the last 3 to 4 years.
    The news/information from the mainstream media, the independent scientists, the people living in the affected areas and the Companies/Corporations involved do not, to me, seem to "jive". Not to mention, what seems to me, to be mixed messages/information/handling of the situations from "our own Government".
    Mr. Spidergoat, I truly would like more insight or views into my "Dumb" theory - if only to maybe raise myself to the position of the "Second Dumbest Man on Earth" - or even, possibly, higher up the ladder.
    Mr. Spidergoat, you are a "Valued Senior Member" of SciForums and I have read quite a lot of your posts and responses to posts. I am truly only looking for intelligent discourse and enlightenment in my time spent on this site.
    Later, the current dmoe.
     
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  7. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Well, the economy runs on energy, and when the peak of energy production hits, the economy will start to contract. Capitalism depends on the opposite, on growth. So the thing that people don't like to admit in the corporate media, is that we are heading inevitably towards contraction, economic stagnation, depression, and all the accompanying social instability. It could be said that the present financial crisis was an opening salvo. Since capital generation is diminishing, people looked towards the markets for wealth. But since the wealth generated from speculation wasn't based on real growth, it collapsed. The corporate media is concerned with keeping everything going as is, and so they spin stories about alternative energy without realistically reporting the true problems with scaling up. No combination of alternative energy will make up for the losses from light sweet crude, but corporations will be sure they greenwash this truth and pretend it's going to be a smooth transition. All the public seems to be concerned about is keeping the cars running at all costs. We will need alternative energy, but it won't save our high energy lifestyle. We won't be running Walmart on wind farms. Of course, there will still be oil, but the producing countries will want to keep more of it for themselves. This could lead to war. Certainly many Americans will feel cheated because they feel entitled to cheap energy, no one alive today remembers a time without it.

    I recommend www.theoildrum.com for realistic news about the energy situation. They also debunk the fantasy of plentiful abiotic oil, and reveal the limitations of fracking.
    On the overall theme of the "Long Emergency" as he calls our impending future, I recommend the writings of James Howard Kunstler. His latest essay captures the scene quite eloquently:
    http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/the-dreamtime/
     
  8. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    Okay Mr Spidergoat, lets just stick to oil. In the 1970's the U.S. Government decided to establish CAFE standards after the Arab Oil Embargo. Specific guidelines and dates to meet these guidelines were set up. The auto manufacturers were consulted and lots of taxpayer money was spent to insure that those guidelines were not "unrealistic" or "unobtainable".
    The ensuing decades saw those standards "relaxed" or dates "pushed forward"... and today, even the "relaxed" and "pushed forward dates" are still not being met.
    During those same decades "Proxy Trucks" were "Created" by the Auto Manufacturers ( the PT Cruiser built on the Neon platform or chassis - but titled as a truck, as one example) to Skew" those same "relaxed" CAFE standards. During those same decades "somebody" was able to convince the "Average American Soccer Mom" that she "Needed" a 9,000 lb., 4-wheel drive, 15 mpg, $40,000.00 SUV to tote the family's children to after school activities and fetch groceries. And BTW, the majority of these Land Yachts never actually go off-road or even see snow or ice but produce LARGER PROFIT MARGINS than the undersold high MPG econo- cars.
    You state the "Corporate Media" "Spin Stories" and "do not realistically report" and that"Corporations" "are sure" to "Greenwash" and "Pretend". Then you go on to state that "All the public seems to be concerned about..." - I ask you if you have gotten the information on "All the public SEEMS to be concerned about..." from the "corporate media" or "corporations" or from your own personal studies and observations of your personal interactions with the public?
    I posit that the "public" that you say "seems" are the same demographic that my "theory" terms "sheople". I also posit that what you call "corporate media" is only a small part of what my "theory" terms "Mr. Big Bidnezz Entertainment". I know you are able to infer what you refer to as "corporations" are termed in my "Theory".
    You state that the economy runs on "Energy" - is it only the energy produced by fossil fuels?
    I posit that the economy runs on the continuous movement of little green pieces of linen with constantly manipulated and imaginary values being placed on them in accordance with who, why, where, when and how and in which particular direction they are being moved.
    You also mentioned "Capitalism" depending on growth. I can agree with that for the most part. But in todays market billions of dollars are "Created" out of thin air by the machinations of "corporations", as you term them, with names like "Bain Capital" or "The Carlyle Group" or even "The Federal Reserve", that rely on the "shrinking" and in some cases "destroying completely" industries and businesses and millions of individuals livelihoods, possessions and life savings.
    Lastly, you say this dependence on oil "could lead to war" - what exactly do you mean by "could"? Does this mean that you believe it "could" only be possible that that war "could" only possibly begin at some point in the future?
    Now, back to my "Dumb Theory", I think it only fair at this point, to tell you that my favorite flavor of "Kool-Aid" is Grape - though when I am feeling really Randy or Wild and Crazy, I prefer to Guzzle Copious amounts of the Lime flavor.
    Later still dmoe
     
  9. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    I have a hard time understanding your theory in order to differentiate it from what I think is really going on. I don't think it's dumb, just presented dumbly. CAFE standards for cars and trucks is somewhat important, but it's not like greater efficiency will save us from the eventual costs of peak oil. It would be great if we could use the cheap energy for infrastructure that will allow a smoother transition to a low energy future, but that doesn't seem to be happening. It's my view that it's not just big money that is the problem. It's a cooperation between our own delusions as a country and the companies who want to give us what we want (and who also work to maintain these delusions). It's not about cars. Forget the cars. They are doomed as much as suburbia is doomed, since suburbia is based on cars. We can't run this economy on $100 a barrel oil. We can't run it on anything else, either, not in it's present form. An economy can't be based on moving paper around, which is all we have left these days, it must have at it's core somewhere, the actual creation of wealth, which is making things that people need. Capital scarcity is a symptom of a larger issue. So we are heading for some problems. We must restructure the economy and personally downsize.
     
  10. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Disagree there. We can easily base an economy on moving paper around (i.e. non-tangible goods.) There's no question that we must maintain the basics (food, water, energy etc) but an economy based on exporting Hollywood movies is every bit as valid (and profitable) as an economy that exports uranium. And the nice thing about movies is they don't run out.

    Capitalism is based on things people WANT (and what they will pay for) not what they NEED. Look at the popularity of SUV's.
     
  11. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Entertainment is a need. Hollywood movies are tangible goods, as long as people have enough leisure time and spare change to watch them.
     
  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    No one ever died from lack of movies! They are, however, a definite _want_, and people are willing to pay for them (which is all you need for it to be a viable product in an economy.)

    I have not been able to hold a movie in my hands for about five years now. I either see them at the theater (where they are transmitted digitally and played back on a digital projector) or at home, where they are again transmitted digitally.

    Fortunately, intellectual property can be every bit as sellable as tangible goods.
     
  13. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    It's not a basic need, but it is a human need. Even prisoners get books and TV. It doesn't matter if it's digital. As things get bad, the need for escapism only increases. People still went to the movies during the Great Depression. But clearly there are limits to this.
     
  14. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    OK. If you want to call "things people really want but can live without" a need that's fine. In that case any economy MUST provide basic needs, but almost all modern economies provide non-basic needs as well, like fast food, movies, cigarettes, alcohol, junk food, porn, religion etc. Indeed, strong black market economies have sprung up around the need for illegal drugs, even when such economies are strongly discouraged.
     
  15. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    This is in response to post #6 by Spidergoat.
    "...really going on..."
    Hey, Mr. Spidergoat, I kind of sort of get the impression that we may indeed be on the same page (so to speak) - but may be perceiving the the same events through different lenses or possibly vantage points.
    As to how my "theory" might have been "dumbly" presented - I read the SciFirums for about 3 or 4 years before actually registering as a member and participating in posts. that being said, I try my best to not intentionally talk above my station or to "baffle with B*llsh*t", anyone who takes the time to ACTUALLY read my posts. In the time I have spent on SciForums I have perceived some posters as not following these same ethics, so to speak. Also, I am pushing 6 decades of doing time on this planet, and sometimes finding the "new wave" or current "jargon" to convey my ideas or meaning in all honesty, escapes me.
    When I opened this post, I tried put it so that anyone who took the time to S-l-o-w-l-y read it and let it sink in would hopefully understand the salient points or meaning of it. I am not trying to "change anyone's mind" or "forcing them to see it my way, or the highway". It was only a cursory observation that a few cohorts and myself came up with some 3 decades ago. Mind you, over the years, I have remembered it mostly because every few years something would happen in the "REAL WORLD" that triggered my recollection of that particular "brainstorming session".
    The "Corpocracy" of today has a few major players that have "their fingers" in way too many things, from my perspective.
    Mr. Spidergoat, I honestly believe that these "sheople" I refer to have allowed all too many facets of their mind to be programmed by the myriad of "Mr.'s" out there who have chosen to use established protocols to achieve said programming to advance their own agendas. I was raised to believe that it was my responsibility to program my own mind.
    And in all honesty, I do not believe these "Mr.'s" ever actually shop at Wal-Mart or even go so far as to have to pump their own gas or fret and worry over missing a rent payment or worrying about where their next meal is coming from or whether it will arrive in time.
    That IS the reality I currently live in and most, if not all of those "Mr.'s" don't even want to acknowledge my existence let alone rub elbows with me or God Forbid, actually have to have a conversation with me.
    Heck, I recently called in to this person's radio/live webcast show to express an opinion, only to have that person shift the question off his shoulders onto somebody, somewhere else and cut my mic' so he could hear himself change around what I said and get to his "sponsor's" message to sell a Video on how Evil the TSA is !!
    I digress, sorry!
    Later, still dmoe.
     
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  16. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    Geez, I read post #6 and by the time I was able to organize my thoughts and get them typed (hunt and peck), and then re-read them for spelling or grammar - 5 more posts got in front of me
    I am slow and old in addition to being Dumb.
    However, the whole "needs' / "wants", Hollywood/SUV debates being discussed is part of the "programming" that I am referring to that is being done to the "sheople".

    Later, dmoe
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  17. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    I'm honestly wondering whether you were high when you wrote it. It is nearly incoherent and inventing words like "Bidnezz" and "sheople" just seems intended to make it sound dumb. Do you not know how to write in proper English?
     
  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    So oil companies, electric companies, car companies etc are run by "The Man" and are evil - but Wal-Mart isn't?
     
  19. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    Mr. Watters, wonder all you want. Would my being "high" or not when I wrote it make it any more "coherent" to you? Is it common for people to get "high" and try to have a meaningful conversation?
    The "invented" word "Bidnezz" has been in use in the mid-west since at least the '50s or '60s, and refers to the "Mafia" or "La Cosa Nostra's" methods of doing "illicit" Business.
    The "invented" word "sheople" or "sheeple" has been around since the '60s or '70s, and refers to people who, for whatever reason, choose to allow other people to do their critical thinking for them.
    Obviously, I can not possibly know how to write in proper English - or you would not have so eloquently have had to question said ability - by asking me a negative query; "Do you not know...", instead of simply asking; "Do you know how to...". My bad.
    Have I responded "coherently" enough to any of you musings, or have I just "invented" more words for you to "wonder" about?
    Now, may I ask you, Mr. Watters, in hopefully proper English - have you ever heard of the term; passive-aggressive?
    Would it be improper of me of me to wonder, in improper English, iffin you be tokin the spleef youself? bro'
    Or, I'm wondering if that could, in any way, be construed as a "passive-agressive" attack?
    Since it would possibly be improper of me, or could very well be construed to be a "passive-aggressive" attack on my part - I will refrain from wondering the aforementioned.
    Later, dmoe
     
  20. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    I do not believe that I stated that oil companies, electric companies, car companies (etc), are run by "The Man". Nor did I state that they were evil.
    As to the "Wal-Mart isn't", isn't what? I did state not state that Wal-Mart is or is not run by "The Man", nor did I state that it is or is not evil.
    I only brought up Wal-Mart because, to me at least, it does not seem to be the place that I would find the CEO of a major corporation shopping at on a regular basis - but alas being as dumb as I am - I am often wrong, also.
    Also, to clarify, I only mentioned evil in reference to an advertisement where someone was trying to sell videos on the evils of the TSA. Heck, the only time I even mentioned religion was in relation to the "Bidnezz" of religion.
    I do not think that "good" or "evil" has anything to do with what I was trying to get a conversation going about. I was honestly trying to get an open discourse initiated over the use of controlled collusive programming to maximize profits from dwindling resources.
    Later, dmoe
     
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  21. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    I've stopped wondering.
     
  22. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    Wonder is a good thing - you should never stop.
     
  23. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    By chance, I came across this quote today;
    "The individual is handicapped, by coming face-to-face, with a conspiracy so monstrous, he cannot believe it exists. The American mind, simply has not come to a realization of the evil, which has been introduced into our midst . . . It rejects even the assumption that human creatures could espouse a philosophy, which must ultimately destroy all that is good and decent." -- FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, 1956

    Later, dmoe
     

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