Reality is mathematics / Mathematics is reality ?

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Very interesting article, but the technology does not have many biological properties.......

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    And the scale is a little different. Microtubules work at nano-scale. The information packets we saw walking about in the illustrations are enzymes and proteins.

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    Microtubules are one of the cytoskeletal filament systems in eukaryotic cells.
    The microtubule cytoskeleton is involved in the transport of material within cells, carried out by motor proteins that move on the surface of the microtubule.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microtubule

    These natural information processors have a specific language which allows for various types of information to pass through the network. This language is made up from relative electro-chemical values processed in an orderly manner by certain dedicated functions. That demands the processors must share certain mathematical abilities to read and write value identity languages as inputs and outputs.

    What is absolutely curious is that microtubule processors are a common denominator in all eukaryotic organisms.
    IMO, this is a very significant attribute and definitely speaks to a common processing language even in different species or patterns. Think of it....this is what set the eukaryoid species apart from the prokaryoid species which are very few now.

    I think of it as the bridge between purely chemical and organically sensory efferent and afferent information processing. i.e. Photosynthesis, etc.

    I compare the scientific value of microtubules in eukaryotic organisms to that of the chromosomal difference between humans and other great apes (hominids), which allowed for the evolution and formation of a more complex brain in humans.

    Microtubules compute and issue motor commands. And they are mathematical relative value processors....they compute..... trillions of them......

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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Ever heard of "lift"?...Birds employ dynamic "lift". Witness our favorite Hummingbird.
    Ever been sailing? ... Sailboats employ passive "lift".
    Insects employ a variety of lift modes, mostly by brute force.

    Gasses have no natural values and potentials? Interesting.
    Gasses have been known to explode with tremendous force, but no relative values..?
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Don't see any in your examples. You keep talking about "values", but you don't show any images of these values in the wild.
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    LOL, gasses make up about one third of all of physics.
    But this is an exerpt from a piloting handbook.
    https://www.pilotingaeronauticshandbook.com/3-aerodynamic-properties

    These properties exist in nature, not as symbolized by humans but as abstract qualitative and quantitative potentials or "relative values and functionalities".
    Each thing has its own unique values (potentials) relative to other different things.

    Just because we learned to fly, doesn't mean we invented flight. Birds use the earth's magnetic fields to navigate the skies. Who invented navigation as a mathematical discipline?
     
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  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Yup. I certainly see those values - in a book - written by a human.
    Any pictures of these values in the wild?

    Ah. Properties. Now there's a word rarely used in your vocabulary.

    Keep using that.
     
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    based on what information?
    Are you suggesting that if there are no human pictures it means nothing has any value and/or function in the wild?
    Air pressure at sea-level is the same as air pressure a mile high? No picture, air pressure does not exist, is that what you are suggesting?
    Oh I use it plenty, just as I use the word Potential. They are appropriate in context of inherent universal values and functions. Are we in agreement on this or not?

    If we don't have maps the terrain does not exist? This is your argument?
     
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not suggesting anything; I'm simply asking to see some of these these values that you talk about in the wild.
    Why do you keep avoiding this with more questions? Why not just show some?
     
  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Look around you and you can see mathematical structures everywhere. I don't need to point them out. They're right in front of you all the time.

    Trees are fractal structures. Falling objects illustrate the effects of gravity. The Doppler effect is clearly audible in sound waves. The Fibonacci Sequence is found throughout nature.
    These are all "unfolded" expressions of natural interactive mathematical relative values and functional potentials.

    All these natural phenomena reveal the underlying regularities which makes them display specific patterns and reveal the orderly mathematical nature of natural chronologies.

    The fact that we are able to codify the potential and dynamical values and functional phenomena proves the stable equations between;
    Observed values and functions = codified symbolisms describing observed values and functions.
     
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    Physics imposes regularity because regularity = stability

    An physics likes nothing more than fixed unchangeable ridged stability

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  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    That depends on the initial state of the physical object.
    Gases are unstable, liquids are fluid, solids are rigid. However they all tend toward finding equilibrium.

    I suggest that logically both unfolded physics and enfolded metaphysics seek to achieve stability or regularity.

    The ability for self-ordering is predicted in mathematics and lends itself to practical applications when employing regular and mathematical equations based on the inherent potential values and functions of the media or objects.
     
  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    OK so, asked four times. Still no pictures of values existing in nature.
    Going once ... going twice...
     
  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Wheeee! Spin the wheel, win a prize!

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    "Reference" is spelled wrong in the purple section of the wheel.

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  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    A wheel of universal properties in my name? I'm truly honored.....

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    The wheel spins, but never stops, except and until we make an observation.......

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    ..... and take a "snapshot".

    p.s. don't blame my references, read them!
     
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    To a collector, the value of a thing is not its original monetary worth, but by its availability, relative condition, and acquired value plus over time, and desirability. A work of art may change its value during an art auction, depending on number of interested buyers. It's artistic value is judged by art critics, not by the component paints, canvas and frame.

    Values are the abstract properties that give things their characteristic patterns. Also known as potentials.
    A Joule is a relative value.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_theory#Intrinsic_and_instrumental_value

    And for examples of visual relative values
    https://www.diygenius.com/fractals-in-nature/

    even children understand the concept of "abstract value".
     
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  19. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Still. Not a single picture of a value in nature.

    You talk about values - but you're a human.
    You talk about abstract values - because abstraction is a human process.
    I don't for a moment argue that values are easily understood by humans.

    But if they exist in nature, why don't you post a picture of some?
     
  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    That's relatively unimportant. The meaning and value of the wheel remains unchanged.....

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  21. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    The above quotes talk about "value" in terms of "good", "worth", "ethical".

    You've done this before - this is what is called a "weasel word" - a word that has two very different meanings, depending on the context.

    So, having abandoned the mathematical concept of a value - you've now shifted the moralistic concept of value:

    So you now assert that the universe has moralistic values? Can we assume you're going to circle back around to your God-adjacent "Intelligent Universe" idea?
     
  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I do, think objectively. You don't need to know what specific value, as long as you can translate relative values.
    See Post # 555
    Can you give me a picture of an algebraic equation and it's values? A right triangle of any size has measurable values, no? Actual values are determined by size of the triangle which is variable.

    The rest is your fascination and insistence on subjective thinking and every discussion always disintegrates into a semantic riddle.

    Is it subjective human observation of universal values and functions or is it universal is it objective universal values and functions which are observable?
     
  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    So, that doesn't count?
    By rejecting the synonyms of certain terms you are limiting your horizons.
    You have shifted, because you do not want to understand the common denominator which apply to synonyms of a term.

    You see "value" as numbers. I see values as "qualities"
    No, that your interpreatation and is not relevant in this context, regardless of your insistence.

    For the umpteenth time, I am a hard atheist.
    There is a defined difference between a sentient brain and a non-sentient computer, even as both perform computations.
     

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