# Reality is mathematics / Mathematics is reality ?

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Write4U, Nov 27, 2018.

1. ### river

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So what ....

Inotherwords numbers give , ( in and of themselves) , no physical existence to any physical object . Three dimensionally

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3. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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That is a classic jazz tune played by Miles Davis.
Nor does any language.
Trying to wish a physical object into existence is asking for miracles.

Both alpha and numerical languages are only descriptive of and not causal to physical objects.
However, mathematics are the symbolic translations of measurements and establish the relative values of physical attributes and inherent potentials of objects (specific patterns).

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5. ### river

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Fine , but still based on a physical thing , which produces sound

From my post # 61

7. ### DaveC426913Valued Senior Member

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As I have pointed out several times now, a very large proportion of mathematics has nothing to do with with physical reality at all.

• Prove that there are no even primes greater than 2.
• Show that all the 'non-obvious' zeros of the zeta function are complex numbers with real part 1/2.
• Render the Mandelbrot set. (including points on its imaginary axis)
• Prove that no three positive integers a, b, and c satisfy the equation a^n + b^n = c^n for any integer value of n greater than 2.
• If the solution to a problem is easy to check for correctness, must the problem be easy to solve? Provide proof.

This is what most of the discipline of mathematics is involved in. Mathematicians don't sully themselves with physical things.

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8. ### river

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So then we can conclude that mathematics , numbers , in and of themselves , can not produce anything physical at all .

Mathematics then is the consequence of physical objects , existing first , and their movement(s) .

9. ### DaveC426913Valued Senior Member

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No, but they can be used to describe physical things.

Still false.

I don't know why you think this.

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10. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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Human mathematics are the symbolic translation of the natural values and functions as observed in natural physical expressions of patterns.

You need to make a distinction between Human symbolic mathematical notation and Natural mathematical values and functions (potentials)

11. ### DaveC426913Valued Senior Member

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Only if he wishes to subscribe to the Write4U Personal Hypothesis of Cosmology. Otherwise, he need make no distinction.

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12. ### Quantum QuackLife's a tease...Valued Senior Member

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Perhaps a mathematical description of insanity might help... ( seriously... can it be done?)

13. ### river

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You realize you contradicted yourself here

14. ### river

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Irrelavent

Mathematics , numbers does not form anything physical .

15. ### Quantum QuackLife's a tease...Valued Senior Member

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yet that is exactly what Write4U is claiming...

16. ### river

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Many do QQ.

And they are wrong , as I have pointed out

17. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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No they are not. You are looking at it from the wrong perspective.
Natural mathematical values and functions guide (compel) the formation of specific physical patterns. Humans can observe these orderly and regular natural physical expressions and translate the observations into human mathematical symbols, such as numbers and equations.

Flowers don't need to know the Fibonacci Sequence. They are expressions of the natural mathematics of what we call Fibonacci sequence. It's obvious. What's the problem?

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18. ### DaveC426913Valued Senior Member

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Nope.

You are having trouble grasping this. That's not a problem, I can help.
But avoid making assertions and you won't run afoul.

19. ### DaveC426913Valued Senior Member

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There are way too many people here who think that opinions are as weighty as facts.
These things are not up for debate. Stop debating them as if they are.

20. ### river

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Patterns has nothing to do with the existence of numbers being the essence of any physical object . Guide or otherwise .

21. ### DaveC426913Valued Senior Member

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This is another assertion that is not true.

Physical objects existed for 13.7 billion years before humans came along and invented numbers to describe properties of those objects.

22. ### Quantum QuackLife's a tease...Valued Senior Member

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nope!
Natural forces guide ( compel ) the formation of physical patterns. Mathematics has nothing to do with it.

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