Reality is...

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  1. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    conspansion ... I had to look that one up.

    From the CTMU wiki:
    So... it is contraction... why not just call it as such?
     
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  3. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Because it needs a supporting explanation.
     
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  5. river

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    So the Universe is , in a sense BREATHING ......
     
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  7. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    I think it's probably because nobody understands it (or more to the point that it makes no sense) that people feel they can project their own vision (whatever it happens to be) onto Langan and his theory. Probably they feel like Langan really understands where they are coming from in a way that nobody else does - because they aren't reading Langan at all, but themselves.
     
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  8. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Nothing more than a trite comment.
     
  9. birch Valued Senior Member

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    I heard of this case where this boy had a tumor that couldnt be removed through surgery. He meditated everyday visualizing the tumor as an round object like a star wars death star etc game and kept shooting at it chipping away at it at a time. He put focus and energy into this. After a few months, the doctors were astonished the tumor was gone. The unknown powers of the mind. Most people dont believe it could work so they wouldnt try it. If you dont believe, it cant work either. Interesting.
     
  10. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Of course, some tumours just disappear of their own accord, so it's very hard to establish causation between the "powers of the mind" and the tumour going away. To really study this, you'd need to systematically study many patients, some of whom did not try to use the powers of their mind to make their tumours vanish, along with those who did. At the end of a certain period of time, you see who got better and who did not, and where there was any effect of mind powers above the levels you'd expect by chance.

    I think there is some evidence, in fact, that positive thinking can have some benefit in cancer patients. However, it is by no means a guaranteed cure. If it was that simple, doctors would all be prescribing mind powers as the cure.
     
  11. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I know a lady who cured some cancer, I don't recall the details, using some hippie remedy and as her husband said "I know that s...t can't possibly work but it did because she had absolute faith in it working"

    Well think about placebo effect.
    Is it the placebo effect that makes what we believe are the drugs working?

    The problem with mind power is we don't know if it is there or not or if it works or not and we don't now how to make it work.

    Alex
     
  12. Crimson Tide Registered Member

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    A close friend wrote to me and sent this, have a read it's awesome insight!

    Reality is contemplative. That is, it is the object of contemplation by brains existing within it (for whatever purpose). The brain functions for the purpose of contemplating reality. It is an information processor. If reality were not contemplative, science and Philosophy would be non-existent. Since science and Philosophy are products of the brain, and the brain is the contemplator of reality, the thought is governed by the same laws as reality and thus reality and the brain are one. However, this still assumes a reality external to the brain. But that leads to a contradiction, since the laws of Physics of reality have produced brains which are governed by the very same laws. What appears to be the case is that reality remains intact and coherent, and therefore it is external to observation. Quantum Indeterminacy says that our calculations of the future may only be probabilistic. This means there is a barrier to how accurate and how much knowledge we can possess. What are the implications to the epistemic accuracy of our contemplations of reality and is omniscience an oxymoron if there are hidden causes not readily apparent in the material reality?

    If I were afforded the opportunity to come back to sciforums I would not screw it up.
     
  13. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Sometimes. That's why double blind studies are so important.
     
  14. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    The human mind is immensely powerful... and the human body is exceedingly capable of recovering from damn near anything that doesn't kill it outright (or remove parts... it has issues with having pieces of itself removed!).

    It's one of the reasons that keeping a patients spirits and morale up is so important - if someone has resigned themselves to die, most likely they will wind up dying, even if what they have is curable. It's a fascinating bit of our psychology that, in all honesty, isn't all that well understood.
     
  15. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    "the human body is exceedingly capable of recovering from damn near anything that doesn't kill it outright"

    Do you also believe this about cancer.???
     
  16. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    I know it to be a fact about cancer - my grandfather overcame it three times. Do note - I never said it doesn't need help (especially with Cancer, as without medical intervention, it is quite probable for the cancer to kill you), but if the body wasn't so adept at fixing itself, the after-effects of chemotherapy, radiation therapy, and the surgical removal of tumors would, no doubt, be far more debilitating (if not outright deadly on their own).
     
  17. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    "The human mind is immensely powerful"

    Agreed.!!!
    So based on the factual knowledge you have about the issue... whats you'r guess as to the % of people that will "overcome cancer" due to them makin maxium use of ther mind power compaired to people who make little use of ther mind power.???
     
  18. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    I had to adjust your post to fix the formatting (your last closing quote as after your comment, rather than mine).

    To answer your question; I don't think it's so much a matter of making maximum use of their mind, as much as it is deciding they are going to beat it or not. I'd guess there is probably some correlation that is hereto unknown, but from what I've read and experienced, it more comes down to the person simply believing they will beat it, rather than how "skilled" they are at flexing their mental muscles.

    Probably has to do with endorphin responses and other subtle chemical agents within the body (such as how a constant stress response can wear the body down and make it harder for it to do its job) - in which case it is even more likely that it's a result of someone who isn't relegating themselves to dying isn't putting the additional burden of dealing with stress hormones and such on their body, which is already busy dealing with both the disease AND whatever side effects the treatments have.

    Is it possible to simply "will" yourself better from something like Cancer? Eh... I dunno, I rather doubt it. That said, the difference in recovery between someone who "knows" they will beat it vs someone who "knows" they will die... that's been known for a while (even if not readily quantifiable). Sure, not everyone who is determined to beat it will... sometimes the body is just too damaged. Likewise, with modern medicine, even those who are certain they will die can survive, though often they experience more side effects and drawbacks to the treatment.
     
  19. Crimson Tide Registered Member

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    Take the teachings of Jesus, who had the power of his mind to heal people. Take in mind that a spiritual person can do what is needed if they fall ill. Take in mind how some other great healers have done the same for both themselves and others. Take also modern medicine and the coming age of nano technology that are starting to make molecular machines out of proteins and amino acids that when made into medicines to treat Cancer tumors with medicine now. All of this points to the mind and how powerful our collective mind has become at developing new ways to treat cancer and a host of other maladies. Yes we are still struggling with influenza and the common cold. But watch as we eradicate every problem the world throws at us.
     
  20. Crimson Tide Registered Member

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    The number of people living beyond a cancer diagnosis reached nearly 14.5 millionin 2014 and is expected to rise to almost 19 million by 2024. Approximately 39.6 percent of men and women will be diagnosed with cancer at some point during their lifetimes (based on 2010-2012 data).Mar 14, 2016
    Cancer Statistics - National Cancer Institute
    https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/understanding/statistics

    My guess at how many people will be healed of cancer on their own is hundreds of thousands. My guess as to how many will be healed by positive thinking and treatment another 8 to 10 Million leaver the other third who are negative and avoid treatment. They will die early on. That said the mind is wondrous and full of desires and energy focus that on yourself and heal your cold to try it out. I use Yin Chiao a Chinese herb to cure both cold and flu and it works. That points to something there, as the Chinese are the longest surviving people on the planet it's only natural to look to them for some of our solutions.
     
  21. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    We don't hear about what I mention now but once it was told that amongst our aboriginals there was a custom of " pointing the bone".
    Pointing the bone at someone caused them to die, and presumably this worked via belief.
    Alex
     
  22. river

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    So what is this Universe about then ?
     
  23. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes it all boils down to this.
    Alex
     

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