Reason For This New Hip-Hop Movement

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Blazin_billy, Jul 7, 2004.

  1. Blazin_billy Registered Senior Member

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    I, Blazin_Billy, a 15 year-old who was raised in a fast paced western society, have theorized an excellent idea as to why this new hip-hop movement is sweeping radios, music channels, and the media. I'm sure you've all seen some commercial with a hip-hop backround targeted to people my age. So why has all of a sudden a explosion of black music taken reign in the media? Well the answer has been around for 75 years...

    Pavlov was thrust into the scientific community's spotlight with his "conditioned reflexes" results with his dog and bell research. It seems today hip-hop is doing the same thing, mainly to teen boys. We all know from the song "Video killed the Radio Star" that video is now the main source of media in almost all parts of the world. So hip-hop artist have produced their own videos to go hand-in-hand with their music. If anyone has watched a hip-hop video, the first thing they will see is the women. How can you miss them! They are half-naked and grinding agianst anything vertical! Well when a teenage boy watched one of these videos, biochemicals are released into his system. Chemicals like endorphins and testosterone stimulate sexual glands. A feeling a boy enjoys (I can vouch for that!). Can you see where I am going with this? The more he watches, the more he enjoys the music because its releases these pleasuring-causing chemicals, very similar to the dog and bell scenario. Teen girls just like it becuase they can dance to it. Teenage boys and girls are probably the most targeted market.

    So wadda think?
     
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  3. mza Registered Member

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    i can see that you are 15. firstly, the majority of the clips u refer to are NOT hiphop, they are rap. if you dont know the difference then you shouldnt comment on hiphop in the first place. secondly, hiphop is hardly a NEW movement, its been around since the 70s. thirdly, hiphop is not a 'black music' as you put it. hiphop is universal. hiphop pioneers have always talked about the unity in hiphop and how hiphop is tolerant to differences and different cultures. the crap you see on tv with women dancing is simply a creation of marketing schemes. many artists have become huge without such tools because they make real hiphop and their lyrics have messages in them. its people like yourself, who are ignorant to real hiphop, that are targeted by these marketing schemes.
     
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  5. hotsexyangelprincess WMD Registered Senior Member

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    yeah, true, but BET now calls rap "hip-hop", which is different. and rappers like fat women with asses bigger and heavier than me. that doesn't trigger my hormones, in fact, it makes me feel like my testicles might fall off. :m:
     
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  7. Facial Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, look at how sex has permeated our society! It's both good and bad, but definitely changes society.
     
  8. hotsexyangelprincess WMD Registered Senior Member

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    yeah, and makes mormons mad. :m:
     
  9. Facial Valued Senior Member

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    True. Hah !
     
  10. hotsexyangelprincess WMD Registered Senior Member

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    i wonder how many people here are mormons. and by the way: i think scarlett johansson is hot. :m:
     
  11. §outh§tar is feeling caustic Registered Senior Member

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    I am repulsed by rap videos featuring scantily clad women.

    For some REAL hip hop, listen to these all-time greats:

    NaS
    Common
    The Pharcyde
    Mos Def
    Blackalicious
    The Roots
    A Tribe Called Quest
    Jurassic 5
    Brother Ali
    Big L
    Murs
    Non Phixion
    Atmosphere

    Most people have negative views of hip-hop because of knuckleheads who make stupid ENTIRE ALBUMS about going to clubs, picking up hoes and drinking alcohol. That's ALL they ever talk about, oh and did I mention the incessant talk of BLING BLING? Makes my blood boil..
     
  12. Hypercane Sustained Winds at Mach One Registered Senior Member

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    Very true. It really annoys me. Although im not much of a hip hop fan. I tend to lean more against rock and punk.

    But people like Fifty Cent, Ja Rule, oh and that J-Kwon guy isnt a very good role model to younger children. Dude that guy is only 18.
     
  13. Blazin_billy Registered Senior Member

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    Alright, so I made a mistake about the real hip-hop. What I meant was mainstream rap.
     
  14. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Interesting theory. You know, that's also how Jazz became popular, and black music in general. It probably began with the blues, which was often ripe with sexual innuendo, "squeeze my lemon baby, until the juice runs down my leg...".
     
  15. Dreamwalker Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    Well, sex sells, doesn´t it? And truth to tell, most people are buying. Not only the young ones, also the old ones.
     
  16. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    It's not just that sex is being exploited to make money, but that sexuality is something humans are interested in as a theme. I think most popular songs of any era are about love of some kind, either losing it, or trying to get it. If sexy videos alone account for the popularity of hip-hop, how do you explain the popularity of country music?
     
  17. Dreamwalker Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    Country music is popular? Not around here, and I am damn grateful for that. But you are right, sentimental songs are always selling better. Alas, there is no denial that the sex-appeal of those videos increases the popularity and the income of bands/singers/rappers whatever.
     
  18. thefountainhed Fully Realized Valued Senior Member

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    The argument presented in the initial is so stupid I was laughing for a few minutes.

    1. Rap gained popularity with the mergence of ganstar rap

    2. Mainstream radio had to play rap as its audience demanded it, but couldn't play overly violent artists. Thus, radio embraced the less violent. First artist embraced: MC Hammer-- 15 Million.

    3. Rap stays popular because the youth culture has embraced black culture-->the club scene is entrenched in the society. The music played at these clubs: rap.


    This CLEARLY demonstrates a man who does not know enough of the beginning of Jazz, and how it spread.

    Go here: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0826447546/103-1200941-1785400?v=glance
    We are talking about a musical stylef over a century old.

    That Duke Ellington became popular through sexual innuendo?????
     
  19. vslayer Registered Senior Member

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    i and all of my friends hate it, it is just some black guy singing about how much money he makes, even the ones that have meaning are so commercialised that they lose meaning very quickly.

    as for the girls, they will dance to whatevers on the radio, last party i had the girls had no probs dancing to cradle of filth
     
  20. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Well, I wouldn't say it's the only factor, clearly they were brilliant musicians, but I am suggesting that among the differences between Jazz and the popular white music of the time was a kind of freedom of expression, especially about sexual themes, which were often cleverly hidden. You can also tell by the reaction of white people to Jazz music, even suggesting that it was immoral, and would corrupt their children.

    A brief google search turned up some quotes by early critics of jazz:

    http://www.allaboutjazz.com/articles/arti0801_01.htm
     
  21. mza Registered Member

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    you claim rap is black culture, and then proceed to claim someone doesnt know enough about jazz. well i think you don't know enough about rap or hip-hop. both are not black culture. sure hip-hop started in areas where black people lived. im not doubting that. but hip-hop is no longer considered 'black'. its not affiliated with any colour, as that goes against the main things hip-hop is about. that is what infuriates me the most about most peoples perceptions of hip-hop. hip-hop is universal, it doesnt belong to any colour, religion, culture. its a culture in itself and its not limited to anyone type of person. thats where its main appeal lies, it encourages tolerance and acceptance of people. though having said that i will contradict myself by saying that i have never seen hip-hop be tolerant of homosexuals. quite the opposite.
     
  22. Facial Valued Senior Member

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    Very interesting, spidergoat.

    I ponder just how far into the extremes music will progress before it becomes either : 1. pure moaning of sexual intercourse or 2. pure noise, similar to the style of heavy thrash-metal rock.

    On the other hand, maybe, these contemporary movements are just new styles.
     
  23. Dreamwalker Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    Hey, Grindcore is the ultimate noise

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    And I think that it has already happened. At least I sometimes get the impression that various artists no longer use words, only things like "ahh", "uhh", "yeaaah"....
    But since I always turn the TV off when I see that crap, I have no idea who the artist is.
     

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