What life? she terminally ill, she dying, I would think most women in her condition would be saying "please save my baby!" No I don't get what your saying at all. A viable fetus could have a full life, in this case the mother is dying, she does not have the right to take her child to the grave with her. I don't know about livestock, but a cow can't say if it wants it cafe with it to the 'slaughter house' or not, but if the cow was dying, I would think saving its cafe and killing it would be more likely it wishes (if it had the brain capacity) then letting them both die. When have I said it is acceptable? I've said some ethical decision can lead to that being acceptable to some, hence why we need to be careful about the ethical frameworks we construct, that via the 'dry foot' model a women can kill a fetus anytime she want, ANYTIME, and for what ever reason, do you accept that model? And for asking that you lump me in with pro-lifers and claim I hate women and want to kill women and babies, do you have now shame making such slanderous comments? What have I misrepresented? You want women to have full rights over their bodies, I think I've made that clear repeatedly, is that a misrepresentation? I don't have a problem with that at all, I'm just trying to make an ethical model that encompasses that as well as declares when personhood begins as well, I even suggested a compromise repeatedly: how about we forbid surgery against ones will but we can still charge a women with murder if she forgoes surgery to save her viable fetus that causes it to die? This would still make first and second term abortions legal, and if we add in eugenic exceptions some third term abortions as well, what so wrong with that?, sound very pragmatics and un-extreme to me. But no I ask at what time we can start charging a women for child endangerment, child abuse and murder of her children, suggest it could be applied to viable fetuses and you start claiming I'm a pro-lifer, troll, etc, and that I'm asking unreal hypothetical questions despite the fact they are based on or exactly what happened in real life cases you presented.