Redux: Rape, Abortion, and "Personhood"

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Tiassa, Nov 1, 2012.

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Do I support the proposition? (see post #2)

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  1. Anti-abortion: Yes

    22.2%
  2. Anti-abortion: No

    5.6%
  3. Pro-choice: Yes

    44.4%
  4. Pro-choice: No

    16.7%
  5. Other (Please explain below)

    11.1%
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  1. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    Lol
    On a roll of ad homming born of information assimilation issues.
    Anyone with even moderate skills of comprehension and literacy can see that this is how we introduced our ideas on the subject in the beginning.
    Bells has simply departed on a desperate hysterical crusade to designate individuals as representative of her imaginative caricatures.
     
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  3. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    Its amazing how you interpret a comment aimed at highlighting your trollish behaviour and inability to refrain from ad homming as a gender issue

    Your inability to discuss things in a sane manner bereft of hysteria has nothing to do with your gender

    Notice how none of these options involve you analyzing whether you are interpreting thing correctly.
    Its simply yet another band wagon of hysteria for bells ...
    :shrug:
     
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  5. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    I am thinking along the lines of collecting data on women who have abortions and also those that provide the service, as well as providing strict window periods on when it can can be performed.




    Its the nature of questionable acts that society has somehow become socialized to be regulated for reasons beyond mere finance and sales - eg gambling, prostitution, alcohol, etc.
    Its not so much about tolerating it but regulating it since people are hell bent to pursue it anyway.
     
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  7. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Why?

    But is not abortion already regulated heavily, what more regulation does it need?
     
  8. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    On Rape Advocacy

    Cutting to the Boner

    "Your hysteria simply prohibits you from discussing this subject like a sane human being." (#1036)

    "You (continue to) respond like a hysterical fool .... I challenge you *not to* continue to respond to EF in your clearly illustrated hysterical ad hom smearing fashion." (#1039)

    "Its like you are so hysterical you have actually lost the ability to read." (#1046)

    "Bells has simply departed on a desperate hysterical crusade to designate individuals as representative of her imaginative caricatures." (#1061)

    "Your inability to discuss things in a sane manner bereft of hysteria has nothing to do with your gender .... Its simply yet another band wagon of hysteria for bells ..." (#1062)

    When we're down to deliberately implying that a woman needs to be sexually assaulted for therapeutic benefit, the facts of misogyny in general and rape advocacy in particular are laid bare.

    No, really, this is where we're at. In response to the question of a woman's human rights under LACP, LightGigantic is now advocating therapeutic sexual assault.

    And this is the thing: Will his fellow anti-abortion advocates stand with him?

    I mean, sure, I suppose he can always claim ignorance as an explanation, but such ignorance would severely undermine the proposition that he has anything relevant or useful to say regarding the larger subject. After all, it's only fifteen months later, and he's now down to repeatedly accusing a woman of hysteria in order to avoid answering the issue.

    It's the reason Freudian psychotherapy works at all; if you let people talk long enough, they will eventually tell you the truth.
     
  9. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    I guess the next question is how you interpret this comment :

    This is an internet forum, take what you get in stride, what ever they say don't show the incredible amounts of anger and disgust that you have shown, for that is what trolls love to see. Consider how readily you call someone a troll you should know that many of the things you said turn trolls on, for example you say that being asked to eat the baby's placenta was less disgusting than them, you might as well be giving them a blowjob.


    ... as sexual assault.

    If Bells has anything relevant to say, we are yet to see her manage to do it a manner that isn't born of hysterical rage bordering on the deranged.
    The irony of this is that any hysteria that is dealt back to her (with the aim of letting her see just exactly how she is behaving) in the same sort of fashion at a ratio of about 50% simply sends her over the edge.

    I mean did EF really suggest that she was giving someone a blow job?
    Funnily enough the last time I suggested she was a troll and that she "waddle back to her cave" she raised her hairs about this somehow being a suggestion she was over weight?

    Its pretty obvious there is an agenda afoot to misrepresent what and why people are saying things.


    :shrug:
     
  10. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    So you can see who is involved in these practices, observe trends etc.
    For instance I recall one doctor who was one of the rare ones who consented to performing late term abortions having their license temporarily suspended (like getting a slap on the wrist) for prescribing over the counter drugs to patients in an unregulated manner. I think these sorts of things have to be scrutinized more carefully.


    More along the lines of establishing it as provisional as opposed to some sort of essential ingredient of the public health welfare package.
    As far as service delivery goes, there may not be a whole of difference between these two options , but it would represent a change in attitude towards it.
     
  11. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    The Obvious Point

    To the one, it's nothing more than misogynistic trolling.

    To the other, what does ElectricFetus have to do with your rape advocacy?

    Don't try to change the subject.

    Imagine that. Again.

    How surprising.
     
  12. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    Hysterical Accuracy

    To the one, you are just making airy assertions that have no correlation to what is being discussed

    Well it was EF who suggested Bells behaviour was "tantamount" to giving a blowjob, and Bells did continue withe same before mentioned behaviour.

    But then again, if you interpret this comment :

    This is an internet forum, take what you get in stride, what ever they say don't show the incredible amounts of anger and disgust that you have shown, for that is what trolls love to see. Consider how readily you call someone a troll you should know that many of the things you said turn trolls on, for example you say that being asked to eat the baby's placenta was less disgusting than them, you might as well be giving them a blowjob.

    ... as rape advocacy, you are just arguing from a platform even more hysterical than Bells
    :shrug:



    Don't try to discuss subjects outside of the context they are presented in, thanks.



    huh?
    Like the last 10 pages of EF trying to dissuade Bells from being an all out troll somehow passed you by?

    :shrug:
     
  13. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    The Obvious Quesiton

    Again, what does EF's comment have to do with your rape advocacy?
     
  14. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    Other than the desire to observe that you expect us to believe you are so stupid that you can't think your way through a three sentence hypothetical, what are we left with?

    Oh yeah, this: "If she is going to die before the viable fetus can be born naturally, then it should be extracted, if the extraction is going to kill her then and there so be it."

    OK. So be it. At least your position is clear, nothing more to say to you. I would say I hope that your wife finds herself having to choose between dying several months or years early in order to give birth to your child but I imagine you would take that in stride. And justify it with some sort of superiority argument. Plus, it wouldn't be fair to that hypothetical "wife".

    So you have the unmitigated gall to claim to be pro-choice. My revulsion could not be more profound. Ah well, the odious must exist as well..
     
  15. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    Hysterical Accuracy Part 2

    everything, since you interpret this comment :

    This is an internet forum, take what you get in stride, what ever they say don't show the incredible amounts of anger and disgust that you have shown, for that is what trolls love to see. Consider how readily you call someone a troll you should know that many of the things you said turn trolls on, for example you say that being asked to eat the baby's placenta was less disgusting than them, you might as well be giving them a blowjob.

    as rape advocacy.

    :shrug:
     
  16. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    ┬┐It's Not So Difficult, Is It?

    Please demonstrate that claim.

    And while you're at it, please make some useful explanation of how EF's comment relates to, justifies, excuses, explains, or otherwise mitigates your own sexual harassment and rape advocacy.
     
  17. Bells Staff Member

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    In other words, my "behaviour" was to disagree with EF's beliefs and and to feel disgust at his stance and behaviour in this thread. Of course, since he can do no wrong, then my inciting his trolling by disagreeing with him and telling him that his attitude towards killing women was disgusting, was tantamount to just giving him a blowjob, so continuing to disagree with him would continue the sexual harassment. In short, I'm just asking for men like you to sexually harass me and using arguments that have been used by rape advocates (she was hysterical, she was asking for it, she needed to be controlled) for generations.
     
  18. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    incorrect
    Plenty of people disagreeing with each other on this thread, yet it was only you he singled out in a specific fashion ... in a specific fashion that has absolutely nothing to do with your gender I might add ....

    Its not so much about his or anyone's sense of self-righteousness.
    Its your beahviour to bring things down to the lowest tier on the argument pyramid, as he put it.
     
  19. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    Operational Difficulties

    I just did.
    EF introduced the subject of blow jobs.

    You are now suggesting this is rape advocacy.
    If anyone needs to demonstrate their claims, its you.
    :shrug:
     
  20. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    (Insert Title Here)

    Please demonstrate that claim.

    Since you are the one claiming what I claim, you need to provide that affirmative proof.
     
  21. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    Operational Difficulty Part 2

    If you want to demonstrate "my rape advocacy" you will have to be a bit more specific than simply saying stuff off the top of your head with loaded questions.
    :shrug:


    Be nice if you were also obedient to this idea before you launched claims ..... its a small detail that helps distinguish a pertinent question from a loaded one ...


    :shrug:
     
  22. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    That's right LG, make sure you get your snout into women's bedrooms. I smell a voyeur's wet dream happening here...
     
  23. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Start Making Sense

    Since it was implicitly noted this morning, and explicitly this evening, and accounting for ... what was it, five attempts to pin your posts on someone else? ... that is quite a remarkable line you've offered.

    Review your response at #1066, and see if you can figure out what's wrong with it.

    It would be even nicer if you would start to make sense.
     
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