:roflmao: LOL!!!..good catch Arioch! I have never thought of it like that.. vote No on abstinence..it doesn't work..hehe..
"People can come up with statistics to prove anything. 14% of all people know that." - Homer Simpson Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! *Edit: This isn't something that has been widely studied yet and the manufacturers likely haven't made clinical trial data available to the public. So, right now Ihave nothing to say it with,except perhaps the statement, "we'll see". Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! And anyway, it was stated as an opinion/speculation not a fact.
A Christian believes in the virgin birth of Jesus (ie. conceived without sexual intercourse and without the sperm of a human), not of just anyone. Jesus isn't considered a mere human, but God incarnate. Secondly, "virgin" can also refer to 'pure,' 'innocent,' 'chaste' - other than in a sexual sense. Hence "virgin olive oil," "virgin gold."
So, does that mean abstinence is not 100% effective? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
The "virgin birth" of Jesus has nothing to do with humans. Other than that, abstinence is not "100% effective," in the sense that insemination can occur without intercourse.
If you look at birth control, this is artificial or manmade since life does not use synthetic chemicals to control birth. The religious stand, although potentially creating problems with over crowding of humans, is the more natural path since it reflects the way nature does it. If you don't believe this is natural, go outside and observe animals. Don't just read and assume that is real. You can check their fur for contraceptives. Or ask them if their doctor gives them birth control pills. Or where is the clinic where animals get all their abortions. Religions looked at natural reality, and concluded such things are synthetic since they could not find animals who did this. The question becomes, if synthetic is being rationalized as natural by some, what other artificial and synthetic things are also being pitched as natural? If I was objective, I would say religion is staying natual and green on this subjective. But there are cases where natural and green may not be optimized. Sometimes artificial might be needed.
In other words your claim was erroneous. Or at least nonsense. I wonder though, if I were a masochist could I claim that since abstaining would give me pleasure (through self denial) then the only way to avoid that would be to sleep around as much possible?
Uh. I think it is eventually better to refrain from discussing sex topics with people who are not used to fasting, meditation, various other forms of renunciation. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
@Signal -- It doesn't matter if christians believe in the virgin birth of Jesus only, they still can't say that it's a one hundred percent effective method of birth control. Some of the new male pills, however, appear to be just that.
I have never heard anyone (no, not Christians either) claim that virgin birth was a 100% effective method of birth control. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Appear, yes.
@Signal -- That's right, appear. We'll have to wait for the human trials to be concluded. Regardless of whether they're one hundred percent or merely 99.9% effective, it's still better than what's currently available.
I know they have a procedure that ionizes sperm rendering them sterile, but I don't think there is a pill. It would be marketed very heavily if there was. This isn't something that has been widely studied yet and the manufacturers likely haven't made clinical trial data available to the public. Right now it is an opinion/speculation not a fact.
