Thanks Cris- and Stanley, and Kai. Although I find it hard to believe that he could be serious, I have met plenty who believed in the same nonsense Sir Loone believes in. Indeed! Even the name - loon - is appropriate. Thanks for the advice. Lightbeing: Actually, the Egyptians did not believe in hell. If you failed to live a virtuous life, your heart was weighed against the feather of truth (Maat) and, your heart would be found to be heavier than the feather. It would be fed to a God who was half-baboon, half lion, and you would simply cease to exist. Hoth and Godless: I agree, I was more or less born an athiest. I remember going (read - dragged) to a church when I was around nine and wondering what the point of it all was. I didn't really become an athiest until I was twelve, and not officially until I was seventeen....but the process was never earth-shattering, rather a simple progression. I never denied God because I never believed in him. Perhaps Calvin was right, some are born 'saved' with the knowledge of God, some aren't. But more likely that there is simply not a God.