Removal of Tiassa as moderator

Discussion in 'SF Open Government' started by James R, Dec 5, 2023.

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  1. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    I stand corrected, its seems the thread requires pop corn
     
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  3. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    With extra butter and salt I believe.
     
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  5. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    That's quite the answer.

    But now you know a bit about this larger dispute: Some people shouldn't have to do any better; that's kind of what this whole moment in melodrama is about.

    Try it this way, there was an occasion when a moderator asked↗ a complaining member:

    So who do you think undermines this forum more?

    Someone who goes at length to research what is being posted, is able to back up any claims with evidence? Or the one flaming with one liners and whining about posts that are just too long?

    That's a rhetorical question. The answer should be obvious.

    Three years later, it remains quite clear some would disagree.

    • • •​

    Just because it's been mentioned, please observe where our neighbor said—

    —he is recalling his remarks in re "prejudice and bigotry in law enforcement". (Actually, it's kind of ironic; for all he complains about my posts, he went on to talk about minimum wage and too many bnbies, as well as scary black neighborhoods, in defense of police conduct.)

    It's not a question of active or passive antiracism; it's a question of why Seattle chose to behave that way.

    (Actually, there's a lot of irony wrapped up in that episode. Like the part where James R, in response to a complaint about trolling, staged a public inquisition↗ about racism in order to both take satisfaction in describing Seattle's ignorance ["I get that Seattle is a bit racist … I'm seeing ignorance, mainly"] while protecting certain impolite manners of discourse at Sciforums ["I'm inclined to say no"].)​
     
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  7. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    TLDR. However start a thread? Perhaps you can detect racism in people that we did not even know about? EDIT: And bigotry, that blight on science.
    I would participate.
     
  8. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    And on science if you are interested. The site. Are you?
    Also, Why do you want to be a mod?
    Can you answer that direct question?
     
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  9. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    Tiassa is awesome
     
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  10. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    A middle management position such as moderator can be frustratin dependin on the mindset of upper management… an i thank thats whats goin on here at Sciforums.!!!

    Over the years ive found Tiassa to be more about the betterment of Sciforums than personal ego.!!!
     
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  11. foghorn Valued Senior Member

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    Why do people come here (forget the site's misleading title)?
    The site needs more blog readers.
    Threads like the UAP thread are distracting members from reading someone’s blogs.
    My bold below
     
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  12. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    You should toss your hat into the ring for moderator in 2024. Be the change you wish to see in the world.

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  13. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    It could be. I think forums evolve though, in terms of what attracts people. Any site really, no matter what the general theme, newbies usually become regulars based on the social aspect of the site. Of course, that doesn’t mean we ignore what the common theme is here, and that is science.
     
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  14. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Haha, as long as James has input that would never happen nor would I be interested in such an environment Which also begs the question, why would Tiassa even want the "job" given the realities? Neither are really well suited for their role.They both should be members since they have a lot to say. Both are too opinionated, IMO, to moderate.
     
  15. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    It may be that Tiassa wanted his access restored only to be able to access (and take copies of?) the wealth of backroom messages and arguments, for future reference? Not sure how much warning he got, but I guess it's like being sacked and not even being given time to clear the locker. Think of all that lovely stationary that he's left behind!

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  16. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    Prefer the science, I hope to learn something. I posted on a couple of politics threads and also religion because I am interested in Biblical scholarship but on the whole it is science.
     
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  17. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    And let's not forget that -- despite the board's name -- only one section is devoted to science disciplinary areas, with the Technology section straddling. The philosophy section was once thriving like Singapore, before bans eliminated some [reviled(?) but somehow favorite(?)] opponents people liked to argue with, and other factors drove them off.

    If SF was indeed a science workshop back in its earliest days, it has long since deteriorated into more of a semi-casual science discussion board. Perhaps it would be better to accept that to a mitigated degree, than unrealistically pretend that it's what it was in its glory days (IF that idealized recollection was ever the case at all).
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  18. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    It's always the stapler they go back for.
     
  19. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I've encountered this kind of sentiment before.

    In an ideal world, a moderator would be dispassionate and remain at arms-length from discussion, yet at the same time, monitoring it for any trouble, ready to moderate. And they would do this for free.

    This is not an ideal world. It is practically impossible to get someone to volunteer to monitor a forum of some discipline or field unless they're interested in the subject and therefore are certainly going to have things to say. In short, either they get paid and it's a job, or there has to be some other reward in it for them.

    It's hardly fair to criticize a moderator for being human, being interested and opinionated, and putting in a lot of volunteer hours.
     
  20. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    Basically, it boils down to members not wanting to give up participating as members just because they've acquired Mod status. (I mean, the latter surely isn't what they came here for in the first place.)

    Though there are places that have somehow acquired a Mod who is perfectly content to remain invisible most of the time, until a lightning bolt is justified by circumstances.
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  21. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Is changing subjects all you do?

    Same reason as always; it was something I could do for my community.

    Do you think you could be bothered to get a clue before asking random questions?

    See, the thing is that once upon a time, we had pretenses of rational discourse and skeptical, sciency, evidence-based this and that, but the practical reality is that such lofty ambitions can be disruptive to other needs and priorities, so that got put aside in favor of a pretense of free speech that is generally inconsistent unto itself. For everything the Administrator didn't want us moderating, it's ridiculous that he would bother complaining that we don't do enough; there's not much to do, and that's how he wanted it.

    Kind of like TheVat said:

    Or, as you put it:

    It does kind of make things weird, doesn't it—

    —when you don't really know what you're on about?
     
  22. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    With you? Yes.
    Like I said, just start a thread or blog. Totally fine.
     
  23. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    Ok, well that has not panned out. Not on a science site anyway.
    Why go for a science site rather than a politics or philosophy site?
     
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