retro causation

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by just me, Dec 20, 2019.

  1. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    moral constructs of the self
    "who am i?"
    "am i of any value without morals?"
    "do i have any morals?"
    "how do i feel when i want to feel good when i dont want other people to inflict me with their morals?"

    teenage attachment stuff

    construing the sense of plausible or not plausible based on emotive pre-dispostion to seek out a value that serves the sense of current self discovery

    er-go
    "i do not ask why i am because i have yet to decide who i am"

    you should realize i already know you wish to say i am wrong
    that is your emotional drive to assert a sense of control over the science
    instead of setting that aside

    "ego" we all have it, we all need it
    but how we comprehend it and how it influences us is very changeable and defines a great deal of a great deal of things.

    unfortunately you are now slightly obsessed with telling me im wrong
    thats ok
    thats normal

    but maybe instead of trying to find some type of emotional feel good for your ego
    why not just look at the science instead ?
    i hope that answers your question about "teenage attachment"

    right or wrong
    arrogance
    the question is a question
    not a statement
    your interpretation is of emotional attachment
    er-go
    arrogance
    ...
    fyi i noticed you emotionally reacted to someones semi troll type comment
    thats only going to sway you from the subject.
    try not to emotionally engage with emotionally construed inflammatory conjecture if you wish to discuss science or you may find other trolls will try and bait you.

    facts & opinions ...
     
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  3. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    You misunderstand the criticism.
    You're not being criticized for your limitations, but for your tenacious clinging to them; you refusal to expand your horizon and consider informative answers.
    And it's not done 'for the sake of doing so'; it's done in an attempt to persuade you to be less combative.
     
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  5. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    To de-horrify it, all you need do is clear up your concepts regarding causation.
     
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  7. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Well, I guess I'm one of those "concrete heads" you like to criticize.

    So maybe don't pile up stones in your glass house?
     
  8. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    There is science
    There is observations
    There is facts defined by agreed scientific method
    their is opinions (informed, un-informed, maliciously construed, maligned, dishonest, ignorantly projected... etc etc...)


    if the train is traveling against a wind of 100kmph
    and the driver farts...
    which way is the trains passengers bed-side-reading lights traveling in ?
    how does it feel to think about the breakfast menu ?

    (emotional experience Vs raw data ...)
     
  9. just me Registered Senior Member

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    by concrete heads I just mean someone with a closed mind, so yea, I suppose you are.
    and even if I am a concrete head, it makes no difference to the fact that you are a concrete head, it just means we are both concrete heads.

    I see nothing wrong with criticizing other people for bad qualities that I also have myself, as my bad qualities make no difference to the bad qualities of others.

    this is getting very petty, all of the threads I am on do, so that is probably my fault.
     
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  10. just me Registered Senior Member

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    free will is retro causation, everything about you was caused by something, if you can't choose what that something was, you can't choose anything.

    cause > cause > moment.

    cause > < cause > < moment of free will.

    so, retro causation existing is the only way I can de-horrify.
     
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  11. just me Registered Senior Member

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    of course I want my ego to feel good and all of that stuff, but I fail to see what any of this has to do with retro causation.

    I will not tell you you are wrong, because you are not and I know you are not, (not about most of what you said at least) all of those things are just more things to fix.

    and that's an excellent defense of yours telling me it is my animal drive to stand up for myself so that I don't do it and thus don't embarrass you, I use the same defense myself.
     
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  12. just me Registered Senior Member

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    combative about what? there are no legitimate ideas here to combat, just petty quarrels about who is wrong and who is right and who is a christian cult leader.
     
  13. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Okay. Then you can't.
    You're the one who's wrong. Again.
     
  14. just me Registered Senior Member

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    why do you think I cant?
     
  15. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Doesn't matter what I think. Find out for yourself. Experiment. Change one factor in the past in order to give you more freedom of will in the present. For example, go back an don't start the 'concrete head' bs, then see what else changes as a result. Who knows, people might even like you better.
     
  16. just me Registered Senior Member

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    but the past is what has already happened, so any changes to it have already happened, even though the causes of these changes may not have.
    so, the past can be fixed, unalterable, but that doesn't mean you can not alter it.
    the effect, in the past, can happen before its cause, in the future.
     
  17. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    intent is perception

    what am i defending(going a little off topic)
    am i defending my ego ?
    sometimes conversation can be interpreted as Egocentric because it traverses aspects of the self that are aligned with the inner self.

    you confuse my interest in your ideas with an overt desire to manipulate.
    you are not wrong for reacting or thinking that when it comes to some people.
    however, you seem to place your Ego at the point of your opinion.
    being proven wrong is normal science.


    theoretical quantum physics
    Vs
    Philosophy
    Vs
    psychology

    i am aware of your desire to rattle through various aspects(sticking to the science... as it were...)
    your theory is to engage ... ?
    maybe 'some' people read your posts in a way that they feel negates concepts for discussion.
     
  18. just me Registered Senior Member

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    good point, you may not have been doing it to manipulate me.
    but then again, you could have been.
    I find it serves me better to assume the worst of people.
     
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  19. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    OK
     
  20. just me Registered Senior Member

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    well, not alter it, bad word choice, but influence what it was.
     
  21. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    OK
     
  22. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    'Alter' and 'influence' are synonymous in this context.
     
  23. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    do you mean physically changing the past physical outcomes in the past ?
    this would change the present

    quantum retro-causality might be something slightly different.
    i am yet to comprehensively grasp its physics properties/quantum theory
     

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