Russiagate

Discussion in 'Politics' started by billvon, Mar 23, 2017.

  1. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    So far it's been a dance between the liberals in congress and the press. We're just watching in amazement at the depths they will sink in an effort to bring down a president. They don't seem to care what it does to the country; but, hey, it will be the little people who suffer from any negative consequence. Overall, they're building a wall of teflon around Trump. And the sad thing is, if he ever does break the law, nobody will listen because of the shit show we're watching now. I personally think the firing of Comey was fish bait, a lure to drag them down the path. I'm watching with a smile. But I also recognize that the political ruckus divides us further than we have ever been before. The democrats might be holding the match that burns down the house.
     
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  3. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    The wacky conspiracy just looks crazy to any rational mind. The Dem's are losing it...

     
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The only satisfaction from this is that the Trump voter is going get hurt, maybe even worse than they did after voting for W, whether Trump goes down or not - so there's some justice.
    It's not the ruckus that's dividing us. It's the discovery by regular American citizens of the nature of the Republican core voter. A lot of people have been pretending you guys weren't for real, kind of living in denial. You're making believers out of them.

    Meanwhile, the Republicans control Congress - so you have no worries. Unless you are maybe overlooking some aspects of the situation - such as Trump's actual behavior, say?
     
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  7. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    I think the Democratic Party has the most to lose right now. Had they taken responsibility for their loss and reformed the party rather than concocting this wild Russian conspiracy, they might have had a chance in the next election. The Seth Rich story is resurfacing, which may prove more damaging for the Democratic Party, more than the Russian conspiracy story has helped Trump.
     
  8. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    are you really that much of an idiot? the russia thing is fact not a conspiracy no matter how many times delusion proto-fascists like you and micheal claim it is. the seth rich story is a real conspiracy theory which why your latching onto it like a remora on a shark.
     
  9. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    So I guess you missed all the Republican participation. I guess that’s to be expected. There would be no congressional investigations if Republican leaders forbade it. You and your right wing cohorts are in denial. But the evidence is both overwhelming and clear.


    I find it ironic that you and your Republican cohorts have the audacity to for you to say, “We're just watching in amazement at the depths they will sink in an effort to bring down a president. They don't seem to care what it does to the country”. You don’t recall what Republicans did to the Clinton’s in the 90’s when Republicans impeached Clinton or what they did to Clinton last year? You folks didn’t have any problem accusing the Clintons of everything thing from simple malfeasance to serial murder all without a shred of evidence. During the 90s Republicans created 3 special prosecutors to investigate the Clintons. When the first two failed to produce the results you wanted, you hired a third and very partisan special prosecutor. You don’t remember all that? Unlike Democrats now, you had no evidence. But that didn’t stop you from making the allegations. Did it? Can you say hypocrite?


    Overall, Trump’s lawyers are investigating impeachment procedures as well they should.


    The match was lit decades ago when Republicans repealed the Fairness Doctrine which led to the creation of right wing echo chambers like Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Sean Hannity, et al. where folks like you are hooked with emotional appeals and fed constant diet of misinformation and outright lies.


    You can believe what you wish. Smile if you wish. But Jack Welch, former CEO of General Electric and a very much a right wing extremist has this to say about Trump and is dismissal of Comey. He doesn’t believe Trump’s dismissal of Comey was some sort of grand conspiracy created by Trump. He thinks it was a colossal fuckup.


    “PresidentDonald Trumphas done a terrible job managing the White House bureaucracy and uniting the messaging coming out of the West Wing, formerGEchief executiveJack Welchtold CNBC on Wednesday.

    "I give him a D minus and I'm being an easy grader," Welch said on "Squawk Box"in a wide-ranging interview. He also said a Trump impeachment would"blow the market away."

    Welch, executive chairman of Jack Welch Management Institute, said Trump is on the right track with policies that would boost the economy but with "crappy management practices."

    Calling Trump's firing ofJames Comeyas FBI director last week a "rookie mistake," Welch said, "You don't make any friends doing it the way [Trump] did it."

    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/17/jack-welch-i-give-trump-a-d-minus-for-management.html


    If you are worried about division, you shouldn’t have voted for Trump who is the most divisive president of my lifetime. If you are worried about division, you shouldn’t have endorsed the unprecedented Republican obstruction of the last 8 years. If you are worried about division, you should be telling your representatives to be less extreme. But you haven’t done any of that, have you? You need to stop being a hypocrite, and you need to stop deluding yourself. At some point, you need to stop blaming Democrats and taking on some personal accountability. If the house is burnt, you burnt it. You need to stop scapegoating Democrats for your actions.
     
  10. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Hmm...and where is your evidence Democrats concocted anything? And what makes you think Democrats haven't taken responsibility for their electoral loss? Were is your evidence comrade? Please do be specific. Democrats didn't hold secret meetings with Russian intelligence officers. Democrats didn't hire illegal foreign agents as top advisers. Republicans did that, and they lied about it. There is no speculation or conspiracy there. Those are hard facts. It's also a hard fact Trump has been very Putin friendly, more friendly than would be expected. Trump's unusual financial relationships with Russian isn't speculation or conspiracy either, nor is Trump's lack of transparency. Just because you don't like the truth, it doesn't make the truth any less truthful or one of the many unwarranted conspiracies like Rich or Whitewater or any of the many murder, child rape, and sex ring allegations you folks have made against the Clintons and Democrats for the last 3 decades.

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/...y-murdered-and-chopped-up-and-raped-children/
     
  11. Capracus Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, the “wacky conspiracy” is solely based on the musings of a sometimes addled congresswoman. It’s a miracle that Maxine Waters was able to convince the numerous respected journalists, intelligence officers, and law enforcement agents to take her story seriously.

    Some of the wackiness pulled from Maxine’s anus.

    God bless patriots like Mark Dice for the ostrich holes he offers his viewers.
     
  12. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    The Washington Compost? How about offering something of substance? Might very well have come from Maxine's anus.

    Edit: The Washington Compost has under 500,ooo subscribers; Mark Dice has over 1,000,000. Times are changing...

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  13. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Just because one publication has higher subscription rates it doesn't follow that it is truthful. Now if you have evidence the Washington Post isn't credible now is the time to show it.

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  14. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Nixon had supporters just like yourself. Didn't help him.
     
  15. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/26...ashington-post-and-cnn-fake-daniel-greenfield

    Someone once told me that Michele Obama is really a tranny (man). It must be credible since it was an anonymous source. Really? If there was any REAL evidence...? Forgive me if I'm skeptical of the Washington Compost.
     
  16. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Well, if there was some EVIDENCE of an actual crime, you might have a point.
     
  17. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Possibly - yet another way the Trump voters would get it good and hard: the Dems have been the only folks protecting them from the Republican agenda.
     
  18. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    What agenda is that, Iceaura? What evil plan are they working on at the moment?
     
  19. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Getting rid of Social Security and Medicare; rewriting bankruptcy laws so they can never get out of debt once hooked; deregulating the credit card, internet, medical records, and other privacy violating businesses to allow all manner of predations and scams; roll back environmental protections that primarily benefit working class folk; get rid of health insurance regulation and restore "free market" medical insurance; getting rid of labor protections from global pressures on wages and working conditions while protecting capital mobility and access to the US economy; and so forth.

    It's a long list. The FCC just now voted to discard "net neutrality" regulations, for example - the Dems didn't have the muscle to prevent that, thanks to the Trump voter. http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-net-neutrality-fcc-vote-20170518-story.html

    Trump voters are disproportionately rural and middle-income - so they are the most vulnerable to the kinds of impositions and insularity and censorship limited competition in broadband services allows (not that there is all that much competition in any US market) unless regulations forbid.

    Imagine if the phone company had been allowed to limit and restrict and lower quality on phone service to businesses that did not buy big yellow page ads - who would that have hurt? Trump voters.
     
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  20. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    It is something of a curiosity that your argument relies so heavily on posturing yourself as uninformed. It's almost like you pretend ignorance a virtue.
     
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  21. douwd20 Registered Senior Member

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    Party over country? Putin puts agents right in the Oval Office and laughs at the clueless Americans and the enemy is democrats. It's time I leave you to your treason.
     
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  22. Capracus Valued Senior Member

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    You’re equating the credibility of a conspiracy oriented Youtube blogger to a major respected news organization? This guys views makes some of Maxine Water’s rantings appear almost sane.

    Dice first gained attention in 2005 when he published his first book, The Resistance Manifesto — basically, a 415 page piece of toilet paper "literature" for his followers, known as the Resistance. Here, he outlines the following beliefs:

    God is real because the Bible says so, and all atheists and non-Christians are really Satanists, "trapped in the system."
    The wacky Revelation ending to the Bible is happening now.
    9/11 was perpetrated by the U.S. government.
    The formation of a one world government is currently in progress.
    The historical Illuminati still exist, and are presently responsible for this one world government, the moral erosion of humanity, the destruction of Christianity and all other things conservative.
    The Illuminati are using bread and circuses to keep the population distracted from their sinister plans.

    To no surprise, Dice denies evolution and global warming, and uses the Bible as scientific refutation to both.

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Mark_Dice


    Do you agree with his above nonsense as well?

    Last month the Washington Post had over 78 million digital users and 811 million page views.

    Over the same period Mark Dice had 1 million subscribers and 12 million video views.

    Statistically in both viewership and content, the Post blows the conspiracy hack away.
     
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  23. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    just how immature are you? you undermine your argument with such childish bullshit like calling the newspaper the washington compost. its shows a childish mentality and an inability top deal with reality.
     

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