Saddam Did Have Yellow Cake After All

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  1. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Saddam had Yellow Cake, 550 tons of Yellow Cake.................

    ABC News: U.S. Secretly Removes Saddam Yellowcake Stash
    Jul 6, 2008 ... AP Exclusive: Uranium stockpile removed from Iraq in secret US mission by ... The Iraqi government sold the yellowcake to a Canadian uranium ...
    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=5316183


    Secret U.S. mission hauls uranium from Iraq
    Last major stockpile from Saddam's nuclear efforts arrives in Canada
    Conflict in Iraq video

    updated 5:57 p.m. CT, Sat., July. 5, 2008
    The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program — a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium — reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.

    The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" — the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment — was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions.
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    Secret mission
    The deal culminated more than a year of intense diplomatic and military initiatives — kept hushed in fear of ambushes or attacks once the convoys were under way: first carrying 3,500 barrels by road to Baghdad, then on 37 military flights to the Indian Ocean atoll of Diego Garcia and finally aboard a U.S.-flagged ship for a 8,500-mile trip to Montreal.
     
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Legal, known to the UN inspectors, completely above board, and not part of any WMD program. What's the matter?
     
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  5. redarmy11 Registered Senior Member

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    What's wrong with a bit of cake now and then - of any colour?

    I haven't read the thread.
     
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Ah well, that makes it perfectly alright to bomb Iraqis for 5 years and destroy their country. "Let them eat yellow cake"
     
  8. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    From your link:

    Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said.
     
  9. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    But I thought he didn't have any yellow cake, That is what you and your buds have been telling me.

    No Yellow Cake at all, let alone 550 tons of the stuff, plus the fact Saddam threw out the Inspectors in October 1998:


    Four Years, of no supervision, 550 tons of known Yellow Cake, and he still maintained the people to restart his nuclear program.

    The potential was there, the fuel was there, Saddam didn't do a thing to remove that potential, so what was he going to do with all that yellow cake?
     
  10. draqon Banned Banned

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    oh please...and this just floats up for everyone to see...just a random event...no relation to the presidential elections and McCain...oh no relations at all...
     
  11. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    No it isn't. They were under UN seal. This doesn't amount to the threat that was claimed. Try again? You don't kill 100,000 people for "potential".
     
  12. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    If you had read the UN inspectors' reports, you would have thought differently.

    Hans Blix and the boys inventoried that stuff way back when.
     
  13. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    If we already knew he had over 500 tons of yellow cake, why be concerned about him buying more? Was 500 tons not enough for his needs? Why send Valarie Plame's husband to investigate the purchase of what Saddam already had (literally) tons of?
     
  14. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    It was used by the Bush administration to prove he was interested in continuing his nuclear program, and it turned out to be false, like so many other Bush claims.
     
  15. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The people who were worried about Saddam's nuclear ambitions wanted to keep track of his nuclear materials - the yellowcake was not weapons grade stuff, but it could be converted if Saddam had some huge secret project somewhere to do that. Hence the inventory - making sure large amounts of the stuff were not disappearing - and the concern over his acquiring secret and un-inventoried supplies.

    It was all BS, of course, because the conversion to weaponry would have been so large a project, adn the inspectors were right there - not to mention satellites etc.

    But any excuse for a war, if you want one.
     
  16. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    It shows the desperation that warheads are reduced to in justifying the destruction of Iraq. It's being trotted out agin like a new discovery by right-wing talk radio, and being dittoed by the We Can't Be Wrong cult.
     
  17. Archie Registered Senior Member

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    Not only did he have uranium, he had he facilities to refine it for weapon use.

    The report released by the CIA in the first year after the removal of Saddam - the one the 'media' claims shows Saddam had no WMD? - went on to report all the facilities were present and Saddam's government was capable of being in production of WMD within three weeks of Saddam's order.

    But it's not a big deal. Those who want to see America destroyed and replaced by a socialist mediocrity will ignore the reality. It's so much easier to blame the United States and President Bush than to face up to an actual enemy who wants to kill us.
     
  18. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    There is no chance Saddam could have done so without being observed. Contrary to Republican lies, the weapon's inspectors were there doing their jobs. We did not have to invade. Being "capable" of making a WMD is not a cause to kill 100,000 people. Making a WMD is no great technology, we have been doing it since WWI.
     
  19. nirakar ( i ^ i ) Registered Senior Member

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    This story does not exactly help the Bush supporters.

    From USA today.
    By Brian Murphy, Associated Press Writer
    The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program -- a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium -- reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.

    The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" -- the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment -- was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions.

    What's now left is the final and complicated push to clean up the remaining radioactive debris at the former Tuwaitha nuclear complex about 12 miles south of Baghdad -- using teams that include Iraqi experts recently trained in the Chernobyl fallout zone in Ukraine.

    "Everyone is very happy to have this safely out of Iraq," said a senior U.S. official who outlined the nearly three-month operation to The Associated Press. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.

    While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a so-called "dirty bomb" -- a conventional explosive that disperses radioactive material -- it could stir widespread panic if incorporated in a blast. Yellowcake also can be enriched for use in reactors and, at higher levels, nuclear weapons using sophisticated equipment.
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    The Iraqi government sold the yellowcake to a Canadian uranium producer, Cameco Corp., in a transaction the official described as worth "tens of millions of dollars." A Cameco spokesman, Lyle Krahn, declined to discuss the price, but said the yellowcake will be processed at facilities in Ontario for use in energy-producing reactors.

    "We are pleased ... that we have taken (the yellowcake) from a volatile region into a stable area to produce clean electricity," he said.

    The deal culminated more than a year of intense diplomatic and military initiatives -- kept hushed in fear of ambushes or attacks once the convoys were under way: first carrying 3,500 barrels by road to Baghdad, then on 37 military flights to the Indian Ocean atoll of Diego Garcia and finally aboard a U.S.-flagged ship for a 8,500-mile trip to Montreal.

    And, in a symbolic way, the mission linked the current attempts to stabilize Iraq with some of the high-profile claims about Saddam's weapons capabilities in the buildup to the 2003 invasion.

    Accusations that Saddam had tried to purchase more yellowcake from the African nation of Niger -- and an article by a former U.S. ambassador refuting the claims -- led to a wide-ranging probe into Washington leaks that reached high into the Bush administration.

    Tuwaitha and an adjacent research facility were well known for decades as the centerpiece of Saddam's nuclear efforts.

    Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said.

    U.S. and Iraqi forces have guarded the 23,000-acre site -- surrounded by huge sand berms -- following a wave of looting after Saddam's fall that included villagers toting away yellowcake storage barrels for use as drinking water cisterns.

    Yellowcake is obtained by using various solutions to leach out uranium from raw ore and can have a corn meal-like color and consistency. It poses no severe risk if stored and sealed properly. But exposure carries well-documented health concerns associated with heavy metals such as damage to internal organs, experts say.

    "The big problem comes with any inhalation of any of the yellowcake dust," said Doug Brugge, a professor of public health issues at the Tufts University School of Medicine.

    Moving the yellowcake faced numerous hurdles.

    Diplomats and military leaders first weighed the idea of shipping the yellowcake overland to Kuwait's port on the Persian Gulf. Such a route, however, would pass through Iraq's Shiite heartland and within easy range of extremist factions, including some that Washington claims are aided by Iran. The ship also would need to clear the narrow Strait of Hormuz at the mouth of the Gulf, where U.S. and Iranian ships often come in close contact.

    Kuwaiti authorities, too, were reluctant to open their borders to the shipment despite top-level lobbying from Washington.

    An alternative plan took shape: shipping out the yellowcake on cargo planes.

    But the yellowcake still needed a final destination. Iraqi government officials sought buyers on the commercial market, where uranium prices spiked at about $120 per pound last year. It's currently selling for about half that. The Cameco deal was reached earlier this year, the official said.

    At that point, U.S.-led crews began removing the yellowcake from the Saddam-era containers -- some leaking or weakened by corrosion -- and reloading the material into about 3,500 secure barrels.

    In April, truck convoys started moving the yellowcake from Tuwaitha to Baghdad's international airport, the official said. Then, for two weeks in May, it was ferried in 37 flights to Diego Garcia, a speck of British territory in the Indian Ocean where the U.S. military maintains a base.

    On June 3, an American ship left the island for Montreal, said the official, who declined to give further details about the operation.

    The yellowcake wasn't the only dangerous item removed from Tuwaitha.

    Earlier this year, the military withdrew four devices for controlled radiation exposure from the former nuclear complex. The lead-enclosed irradiation units, used to decontaminate food and other items, contain elements of high radioactivity that could potentially be used in a weapon, according to the official. Their Ottawa-based manufacturer, MDS Nordion, took them back for free, the official said.

    The yellowcake was the last major stockpile from Saddam's nuclear efforts, but years of final cleanup is ahead for Tuwaitha and other smaller sites.

    The U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency plans to offer technical expertise.

    Last month, a team of Iraqi nuclear experts completed training in the Ukrainian ghost town of Pripyat, which once housed the Chernobyl workers before the deadly meltdown in 1986, said an IAEA official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the decontamination plan has not yet been publicly announced.

    But the job ahead is enormous, complicated by digging out radioactive "hot zones" entombed in concrete during Saddam's rule, said the IAEA official. Last year, an IAEA safety expert, Dennis Reisenweaver, predicted the cleanup could take "many years."

    The yellowcake issue also is one of the many troubling footnotes of the war for Washington.

    A CIA officer, Valerie Plame, claimed her identity was leaked to journalists to retaliate against her husband, former Ambassador Joe Wilson, who wrote that he had found no evidence to support assertions that Iraq tried to buy additional yellowcake from Niger.

    A federal investigation led to the conviction of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice.
    Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
     
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  20. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    It's so much easier for the American people to believe a bullshitting pres, who thinks bombing various countries is a great idea for world peace.

    Or he thinks that if he starts a war, the American people will believe it's justified - the country hates America and wants to kill all Americans.
    At least, that's what they want to do after the bombing starts.
     
  21. Zephyr Humans are ONE Registered Senior Member

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    Yellow cake isn't a WMD.
     
  22. Balerion Banned Banned

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    No matter what the Right Wing fear mongers tell you, Saddam had no intentions of doing anything. All of the Yellowcake--discovered 17 years ago, by the way--is accounted for, which means that Saddam didn't do a damn thing with it, nor did he plan to.

    Don't believe the bullshit. He didn't have the capabilities to do anything.
     
  23. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    good one.
     

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