Saddam Did Have Yellow Cake After All

OK. That settles it. :crazy:

 

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Now, answer the question?

Why Saddam kept the Scientist and the technicians for his nuclear program on the pay roll, they weren't dismissed, they were still drawing their pay.

Why didn't Saddam destroy the Facilities of his nuclear program?

(It would have went a long way to lift the scantions.)

Was Saddam just waiting for the U.N. to lift sanctions, and with draw the Inspection Teams?

How long would it take for him to re-establish his program? everything was still in place, material, scientist, and facilities.

 

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Why? He had powerful a powerful enemy, Iran. It was a bluff. We should have let him maintain the bluff. If we challenged him, he would have had to make it real. It was the same deal with the USSR.

 

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Can you please link the latest nuclear inspection report that covers Israels Nuclear arsenal? And please answer me Buffalo, how often do we inspect their nukes. And are they adhering to the non proliferation treaty?

 

Please don't change the subject.

 

its a valid counter point

 

And when was the last time Israel threatened anyone with WMD?

Saddam not only threatened, but used WMD's.

 

He wasn't about to use them when we invaded. We didn't even know if he had any. It had nothing to do with 9/11, and finally, we didn't find any after we invaded. The whole thing was one of the biggest mistakes this country ever made.

 

Exactly, it had notheing to do with 9-11, it had everything to do with United Nations Security Council Resolution 687, and the fact that Saddam hadn't complied with the requirements of UNSCR 687

UNSCR 687



Conscious of the need for demarcation of the said boundary,

Conscious also of the statements by Iraq threatening to use weapons in violation of its obligations under the Geneva Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use in War of Asphyxiating, Poisonous or Other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare, signed at Geneva on 17 June 1925, and of its prior use of chemical weapons and affirming that grave consequences would follow any further use by Iraq of such weapons,

Recalling that Iraq has subscribed to the Declaration adopted by all States participating in the Conference of States Parties to the 1925 Geneva Protocol and Other Interested States, held in Paris from 7 to 11 January 1989, establishing the objective of universal elimination of chemical and biological weapons,

Recalling also that Iraq has signed the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production and Stockpiling of Bacteriological (Biological) and Toxin Weapons and on Their Destruction, of 10 April 1972,

Aware of the use by Iraq of ballistic missiles in unprovoked attacks and therefore of the need to take specific measures in regard to such missiles located in Iraq,

Concerned by the reports in the hands of Member States that Iraq has attempted to acquire materials for a nuclear-weapons programme contrary to its obligations under the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons of 1 July 1968,

Recalling the International Convention against the Taking of Hostages, opened for signature at New York on 18 December 1979, which categorizes all acts of taking hostages as manifestations of international terrorism,

Deploring threats made by Iraq during the recent conflict to make use of terrorism against targets outside Iraq and the taking of hostages by Iraq,

Conscious of the need to take the following measures acting under Chapter VII of the Charter,

12. Decides that Iraq shall unconditionally agree not to acquire or develop nuclear weapons or nuclear-weapons-usable material or any subsystems or components or any research, development, support or manufacturing facilities related to the above; to submit to the Secretary-General and the Director-General of the International Atomic Energy Agency within fifteen days of the adoption of the present resolution a declaration of the locations, amounts, and types of all items specified above; to place all of its nuclear-weapons-usable materials under the exclusive control, for custody and removal, of the International Atomic Energy Agency, with the assistance and cooperation of the Special Commission as provided for in the plan of the Secretary-General discussed in paragraph 9 (b) above; to accept, in accordance with the arrangements provided for in paragraph 13 below, urgent on-site inspection and the destruction, removal or rendering harmless as appropriate of all items specified above; and to accept the plan discussed in paragraph 13 below for the future ongoing monitoring and verification of its compliance with these undertakings; ​

Saddam didn't comply with the terms of UNSCR 687, he still had and possessed, the Scientist and material for Nuclear Programs.

That is why we enforced UNSCR 687, as signatory to the resolution we had the right and duty to enforce the Cease Fire.

 

I remember after Saddam had already been captured, that some of his own henchmen admitted that they were planning to restart their nuclear program. I also have a vague memory of Saddam possibly admitting this himself during one of his candid moments in prison, not that it matters. The point is everyone in the know who made this claim also said it was planned to take effect after the UN ended its monitoring and sanctions programs. That means Iraqi officials weren't planning to restart any nuclear program until tensions had cooled off and the UN no longer deemed them a threat. Since Iraq never got anywhere close to this stage in international relations, the point still stands that the WMD rationale was never a legitimate excuse to invade Iraq.

 

Yawn, we went over all this before. What do you mean "after all"? You aren't presenting anything new! This material was under UN control. In fact, our invasion meant that most of these stockpiles became under no one's control, that's when Iraqis pulled their trucks up to weapon's cashes and filled up on high explosives and shells. How do you think they made all those IEDs? The fact remains the United States broke UN resolutions when we invaded, so we have no legitimate cause to use UN resolutions as justification.

 

A couple of months ago, when they made a point of not saying one way or another whether they would use nukes to bomb Iran.

But the nuclear threat form Israel is never far from the surface, in the Middle East. It's a powerful motivation for the neighbors.

Unlike Saddam's, Iran's, or even Pakistan's - and Pakistan actually has them.

 

Every scientist with a brain knows Saddam bought uranium in Niger for WMD...:crazy:

 

Really? How about after Saddam threw out the U.N. inspectors, in 1998?

How about the previous 12 years?

 

The threat was we invade if you don't let our inspector in. They let them in, and as a consequence they were destroying illegal missiles, I saw it on the TV machine. I'm wasn't against using the threat of force for dealing with Saddam, but it worked, and we invaded in spite of that. Bush wanted to invade, and nothing would get in his way, especially not reality.

 

I take it you know scientist without brains. Interesting !

 

The Israelis have their cake and eat it courtesy of the US of A.

 

Read this, if anyone wasn't going to let any thing get in his way, especially not reality, it was Saddam, Saddam brought it all down on himself.

Read

Here, Saddam's own belief:

Foreign Affairs - Saddam's Delusions: The View From the Inside ...
As late as the end of March 2003, Saddam apparently still believed that the ... Saddam was insistent that Iraq would give full access to UN inspectors "in ...
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20060...dam-s-delusions-the-view-from-the-inside.html

 

That's irrelevent, since it describes what happened after we invaded.

 

Buffalo Roam: "How about after Saddam threw out the U.N. inspectors, in 1998?"

Never happened: The UN pulled the inspectors out in 1998 as the US was preparing a bombing campaign. UNSCOM Chairman Richard Butler: