SAR'S CoV-2 Death rates & Statistics

Discussion in 'World Events' started by RainbowSingularity, Mar 10, 2021.

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do you think the Real covid death toll in some countries is higher if so by how much ?

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  2. yes many times higher

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  3. NO . i think thier statistics are accurate

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  1. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    No. I'm thinking more a matrix which would have reshaped itself given some surgical assistance at the time it happened. Now? who knows what will be needed
    Current diet
    Cornflakes, Mik breakfast
    Large coffee with milk mid morning
    Chocolate ice-cream and fruit lunch
    Various meals at dinner

    No supplements

    Will see what hospital provides, but from what I have heard the quarantine meals are not good

    The above diet has kept me off the dead stats so far

    Inul just arrived tonight's meal Nasi Goring

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  3. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i am surprised they provide any meals at all over there in the hospitals
    my understand was only logical option is for patients to purchase meals via vendors or family delivering them
    & hospital/state provided food is dangerous aside from being inadequate for even the most basic nutritional guide lines
    Everyone needs to be bribed so its far safer to provide your own food and a lot cheaper & your not then owned by someone forcing you to pay bribes inside a system where you life depends on things.

    is there any other options you can swap out for your corn flakes ?
    i have a personal opinion that types of cooked corn is not great on the urinary system liver & kidneys
    having it with milk may reduce that impact

    i avoid eating any mass produced grain crops
    wheat
    corn
    barley
    etc ...

    statistically in my opinion
    mono crops are saturated in pesticides & herbicides and over fertilized with phosphates

    the dairy fats in the milk you eat with it, will help to flush & isolate the toxins
    by adding sugar to it you can speed up your digestion to reduce heavy toxin metabolisation etc

    nutrition is a hobby science for me

    humans are creatures of habbit
    emotional well being which as a placebo is scientifically rated at 5%
    can make a HUGE difference to the bodys ability to produce hormones and other key items required to stay healthy
    never over look the effect of placebo effect when it comes to food

    hand to mouth chewing
    the human animal
    fat receptors
    habituated digestive conditioning
    emotional self assessments with known functional variables
    etc etc
    it is very difficult for most people to change their diet(impossible for around 20%)

    listeria salmonella e coli lead phosphate other heavy metals
    assuming local growing is safe
    it would be far more healthy to eat locally grown seed crops than usa mass mono crop produced grains soaked in phosphates pesticides & herbicides.
    safer to eat the usa mono crops with herbicides than local e-coli though or local metals or arsenic
    lots of old ww2 ammunition in parts of asia
    don't want leeching bombs in your breakfast cereal
     
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  5. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    guessing indias kill rate is now sitting close to 5%

    350,000 per day
    = 17,500 deaths per day
     
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  7. Bells Staff Member

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    A doctor in Kenya who advised citizens against getting vaccinated has died from coronavirus.

    Stephen Karanja, who served as the Kenya Catholic Doctors Association chairman, advised mask-wearing and mass testing as the most effective ways to stamp out the pandemic, clashing with local bishops who have been urging Kenyans to get inoculated.

    The Catholic Health Comission reported the controversial doctor — whose age is not publicly known — was admitted to hospital last week before succumbing to the respiratory disease on April 29.

    Dr Karanja remained staunch the current global rollout of the fast-tracked vaccine was “totally unnecessary, making the motivation suspect”.

    He instead endorsed alternative treatments for COVID-19, including hydroxychloroquine and the hotly-debated Ivermectin.

    “There are drugs that have been repurposed and used effectively to treat Covid-19,” he said in a March statement.

    “We advise that a COVID-19 vaccine is unnecessary and should not be given. We appeal to all the people of Kenya to avoid taking it.”
    [https://www.news.com.au/world/coron.../news-story/159b8f221291511c6b164e7290b40e4e]

    There's a certain irony here..

    It should be noted that the Catholic Church in Kenya have spoken out against him and are demanding that the vaccination rollout continue and noted that Keranja did not speak for the Church in any capacity..
     
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  9. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i have a small tendon thing which confuses me
    multiple complex fractures & years of extreme physical activity
    upside years of extreme training has strengthened the tendons so i think my body has pre coded nutrient supply (mysticism of the human bodys secrets that science is yet to figure out)
    on occasions it feels like im trying to herd cats to figure out how to keep it happy

    no where near invasive to basic function as a shoulder
    1 of mine is plays up a little on occasion(tendon join to the bone & what appears to be the muscle that sits over it) but that is from an extreme fracture that never heeled properly & i have never done the hard push to get the surgery
    it only seems to be an issue when im pushing to the limit of physical capacity.



    they will be VERY nervous at the reality of having all their missionary and community embedded church leadership & education pillars die
    as they are in the highest risk group & an apex of community high level people to people contact
    que the sound of nails going into coffins
    religiously AND physically
    not to mention years of co-operation with local leadership at risk.

    the Vatican should be flying in vaccine teams to vaccinate their ministers and the church members for free to create a imputes stimulus and practical safety barrier.
    strategically that's the smart move

    local village leaders may be more willing to come on board and endorse vaccine science to help protect the parish village and towns & eventually citys while entrenching social AID and outreach from the Vatican

    while catholic schools may be a bit slower in social advancing intellectual social liberalism
    in many countrys they are the only tool turning illiterate children into free functioning adults that can then travel the globe and take up jobs and global social iteration & diversity inclusion.
    etc etc
    a old friend said
    regarding africa
    many cant even count so you dont need to pay them what you owe them if you dont want to.
    the same goes for accounting and financial control of villages AID programs and citys


    i think it would be fair to say in statistics
    the cast(class system of real lived basic indian culture operating in all rural farming areas and most medium residential rural, invasively cast as a social system into large citys and social inclusion & exclusion) system is a mass serial killer

    funny how Bollywood(bolly wood has many conservative enemy's trying to undermine their gender & sexual orientation & racial and cast inclusion etc) is soo quiet keeping all their billions to themselves trying to stay out of the media to avoid being asked to donate money
    to be fair
    though controlled like most big business by extreme right wing capitalism in the midst of a systemically corrupt system of bribery(its not as overtly immoral as it is basic capitalist)
    how do they not gas light themselves to the raving hoards when the entire national system is designed to extract profit per person per action because its 100% user pays capitalism.

    in walks the farmer protestors and the global support for them and the politicization of the rural slavery and cast system and terrible sexist enslavement of women.
    which the west has been endorsing by donating to the protesting farmers
    as they endorse slavery of women
    deny education, deny wages and working conditions
    and hoard all the money
    while controlling the local economy through their cast village markets controlling ALL money and trade.

    modi is doing the right thing in the basic function
    but the right wing fascist capitalist extremists want to exploit the reality to push their communist or capitalist dogma to seek personal power and money
    as the people suffer and die in the thousands because of their actions.

    but with hundreds of millions of people who have village superstition intellect and only around 50% are literate
    its juggling chains saws while someone throws molotov cocktails
     
  10. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    the problem/current reality now seems to be the average people are NOW suffering enough to understand the impact of the problem
    but they are yet to embrace a solution
    anti science
    anti vaxer
    anti western medicine
    anti change of social cast systems of medical control and inclusion & acceptance

    & they will take as much free cash as you give them

    infection tally has gone up
    to now
    400,000 new infections per day
    that is 16,000 guaranteed deaths per day from just the new infection at 4% kill rate
    thats not accounting for all other co-morbidity factors and existing death rates
    famine is coming like a raging stampede of wild horses

    and when it hits
    if they cant stop it
    all those protesting farmers may be the ones being sized up for firing squads
    (cultural vernacular equivalent)

    soo the average indian is now crying out
    save us
    save us

    but they are yet to decide what type of saving they will allow people to give them
    cash wont vaccinate them or build new farms or hospitals
    or build new systems of supply

    behavior & culture change is needed with vaccination
    but they have run out of the limited amount of vaccine they have
    but the people were not accepting vaccines as being real anyway
    only the upper class educated who can afford to buy their own at market rates
    and that wont put entire citys back together


    they are the drowning person who will fight you and drag you & them under to death the moment you try to save them
    until they decide to accept being saved


    anti-vaxer media promoters and their activists in such situations deserve a firing squad

    india is at war
    at war with covid19 & its constipated social cast system & economic systems
    covid is winning
    next champion in the ring will be famine


     
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  11. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    I was attempting to find out the CFR of people who were ill enough to be admitted to a hospital but could not be admitted because the hospital was at capacity..but failed to get any relevant data.
    Scenario:
    Hospital full.
    400 people outside, most with breathing difficulties.
    Q: What is the death rate of those who had to wait out side?
    Assumption:
    Most of the people will seek medical support if breathing difficulties are present.
    Once a person experiences respiratory difficulty in a covid-19 situation one could suggest that viral pneumonia is present.

    **Google: Untreated viral pneumonia.
    Answer:
    "Viral pneumonia usually goes away on its own. Therefore, treatment focuses on easing some of the symptoms. A person with viral pneumonia should get sufficient rest and stay hydrated by drinking plenty of fluids"

    The main concern I was researching was that of those who could not get into hospital would have a considerably higher CFR than 4% ( speculation at 40%) however the research fails to support such an extreme outcome as in many, if not most cases the main concerns that drives people to seek admission (temperature, breathing and anxiety) will often solve them selves over a relatively short time period.

    The role that anxiety plays in the respiratory problems is unclear but assumed to be a major factor. Calming the patient may lead to better outcomes etc.

    So the greater question:
    What would be the CFR if the hospital systems remained at "over capacity" status? Remains unclear.
    What we do know is that in the first world if hospital systems are fully functional, has ICU capacity, oxygen and sedative support the CFR is between 2 and 4 %.

    Possibly some forum members might know of CFR modelling that involves an overwhelmed or failed regional hospital system?
     
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  12. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i have
    added that as 1% as a compromise by those
    • already in hospital being denied service so they die of preventable conditions
    • added with increased mortality of avoidable covid death
    • added with avoidable death of those now unable to get into the hospital
    • added with those now directly killed by the chaos that ensues
    • not counting those dependent on medication PILLS and Medicines who now have run out and cant get any more
    just roughly
    the dying people on the way to the hospital seems to be an increasing number
    malnourishment kill rate will be significant as the illness takes hold of non fatal people
    who become fatal from malnourishment

    and not only is there now no antivirals
    but there is no system to deliver or access them

    queue personal hygiene food and water cycles of contamination/disease

    note
    already mentioned
    air pollution cant be changed = awkward
    what studys on air pollution have been done in indian citys ?
    what use is the data if they cant change anything

    some groups & politicians have played around with changing indian house cooking fires and heating fires creating air pollution
    but none have taken it seriously
    looks serious now though
    maybe they will have better public support
     
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  13. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Yes... of course...collateral fatalities were not being considered in my post (trying to be focused)
    There are many collateral effects and not just deaths but long term disability etc....
    The breakdown of survival routines (begging,trash foraging etc) most impoverished people utilize alone would have devastating impacts.
     
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  14. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    clean safe drinking water in india would be a good simple example
    then add soap for hand washing
     
  15. Bells Staff Member

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    We may not actually ever know the full extent.
    Much has been written on the plight of the Dalit during this pandemic..

    https://theconversation.com/indias-coronavirus-pandemic-shines-a-light-on-the-curse-of-caste-139550
    https://www.huffpost.com/archive/in...onavirus-lockdown_in_5ee4ade3c5b61387f005e8d8
    https://towardfreedom.org/story/the-curse-of-caste-and-contagion/

    Are just a few examples.

    There have been numerous stories of oxygen tanks being taken away or confiscated from people and given to others who are more wealthy, for example..

    They have not said anything in regards to how their caste system is affecting treatment during this current surge. We may never know the full extent when it's all over.
     
  16. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56345591
    All adults in India are now eligible to be vaccinated.

    India coronavirus: Over-18s vaccination drive hit by shortages

    About 150 million shots have been given, equivalent to 11.5% of India's 1.3 billion people.
    Despite being the world's biggest producer of vaccines, the country is suffering an internal shortage and has placed a temporary hold on all exports of AstraZeneca to meet domestic demand.
    More than 13 million people aged 18-45 have registered for the jab, but states including central Madhya Pradesh and hard-hit Maharashtra have said they will not start vaccinating this age group on 1 May as planned due to supply problems.

    Experts believe India should ramp up vaccination in areas of high transmission and in five states where elections are being held.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


    when i was doing some VERY rough math
    i came to around 500% increase in global death rate from covid

    india will now be seeing a large increase in their total normal average death rate
    probably running around 800%

    hence businesses who run the cremation sites simply can not cope
    but they probably see it as a short term massive increase in profit and wont wont to let go of any real figures or fees for bodies

    it did cross my mind if some might be trucking bodies out of the city to hide them because they simply cant cremate them all.
    ok if the military are doing it and then cremating them in large scale cremations or burials
    or refrigerating them in large fridges for a few weeks until they can get the local cast crematorium to provide the family requested service
    which has probably been in a relationship for hundreds of years

    i hope Modi wins & this gives him the peoples will to push for new hard changes that many oppose which is what is needed to solve indias' crisis

    if politicians act against him then maybe he will need to announce martial law & work with the military who hopefully are a lot more sensible & logic
     
  17. foghorn Registered Senior Member

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    From one of your links...
    https://towardfreedom.org/story/the-curse-of-caste-and-contagion/
    Says it all really about India.
     
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  18. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    their system of regional fiefdoms over millennia has formed the very core cultural identity and systems of thought t& types of religion that directly correlates to this.

    i was chatting with a young indian upper class male who had a few issues
    the point is he was completely unaware of child marriage issues in indian culture

    hows that for a small selective world view
    his family were so well placed that he would probably be given almost any job he applied for in india assuming he had the specific qualification needed.
    keeping in mind around 50 to 75% of women are illiterate
    & while basic language skills may seem modern in most men
    critical thinking will be completely alien to them.


    extreme capitalism
    the bottles being taken wont be owned by the people
    you can be sure 99% of the issue will be re-assignment once bribes have stopped being paid

    they know there is not enough food jobs & resources to go around
    and their birth rates & infant mortality and beliefs around death go hand in hand with that

    fascinating culture(western romanticism of old religious indian culture for western profit making is very fluffy but missing the contents of the machines & mechanisms)

    so they are looking at 180 million dead in the next year
    as a rough ball park figure

    what happens in the usa when a hospital patient runs out of money to pay the bill ?
    https://tinyurl.com/bzxm9m8j (google results of searching that, you will see the real hard question and moral debate issue is not answered and obviously avoided on purpose for profit)

    do they wheel them out onto the side walk in a wheel chair & abandon them ?
    can hospitals legally do that in the usa ?(my guess is yes)

    when you compare the usa
    against
    india

    and look at the usa level of covid dead

    and then look at usa medical technology & bed & ICU capacity per person
    statistically usa is a total cluster _uck

    now simply use usa covid dead stats
    and then apply them per capita to india for a base line

    600,000 dead usa
    from 350,000,000
    0.17142857142857143 % of the population

    how many dead will that make in india ?

    population india
    1,380,004,385
    https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/india-population/

    2,365,721.802857143 dead at USA rate

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:COVID-19_pandemic_data

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    India 19,557,457 215,542 15,992,271
    so what ever you see on TV & in the news
    simply multiply it by 500% and that is the bottom line basic reality

    note
    statistics
    there s probably a factor we can apply to india for lack of usa equivalent health care
    maybe 300%, maybe 400%

    so we are looking at around a 900% increase on usa figures to get real india basic numbers

    soo ...
    basicly using basic maths and comparative logical scientific method and statistics
    india is looking at 180 million covid dead over the next year as a total
     
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  19. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    for those readers struggling with their own moral hypocritical indoctrination...

    and "do we care ?"
    is that the American question ?
    answer is
    "are we being paid to care"
    indian answer is the same because capitalism

    statistics is not in the business of caring for people
    otherwise the science is lost & the job of doing the statistics is never completed
    and its all a complete waste of time & resources

    and then it doesn't matter who cares and who doesn't care
    you have nothing to effect real outcomes

    logic !

    statistics is pure logic



    so we need to know what type of strain we are looking at on basic Indian society

    we need to know what level of dead bodies and death they will be dealing with to get an india of what level of machinery they will need to prevent them from completely imploding
    (you see if you truly do care, then you need to b able to not care to care about people)

    p.s for those who have issues with the UN (or the WHO or affiliate global organizations[spin your fascist propaganda bullishit somewhere else in conspiracy's or politics])
    please refrain from posting anything that does not have a link to back it up

    https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/IND/india/death-rate

    so we can see indias death rate is leveling out
    but we know their birth rate is naturally declining with modernity(great and expected)

    2021 7.344 0.480%
    keeping in mind
    all countries have all the babyboomers
    who were effectively experimental guinea pigs for consumer products(lab rats)
    including food & medicines
    so we expect their cancer and disease rates to be significantly higher along side better health outcomes

    millennials should be significantly healthier with long term outcomes since obesity and better quality food and lower levels of chemical poisoning have been established as government laws and regulations

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/05/how-many-people-die-each-day-covid-19-coronavirus/
    • Nearly 150,000 people die each day around the world, according to 2017 data.
      • China and India both see more than 25,000 total deaths per day, due to their large populations.

    soo we are looking at roughly 180 million over 365 days
    = 493150 dead per day from covid
    against
    25,000 per day natural death rate

    that is roughly 10 times the current death rate


     
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  20. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Your guess is wrong.
     
  21. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    yet you do not post a link

    why is that ?
    because your a douche bag ?
    probably

    if its soo obvious to you
    AND since you are making a claim about law & fact
    it should be very easy for you to post a link to back up your claim

    but you & i both know you cant & you dont
    you never post links to back up your claims

    why ?
    because your not interested in science & fact
    your interested in messing with peoples heads for personal amusement
    and
    further more
    your ego is soo messed up that you simply cant ever admit your wrong
    you must beat up on someone and double down

    thats not science
    thats not how statistics work
    you need to seek professional therapy
     
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  22. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    We aren't talking about science and statistics. You said that if someone is in the hospital and runs out of money to pay the bill that hospitals in American can legally wheel them out into the street.

    You posted no link either. https://healthcareinsider.com/hospital-no-insurance-59540

    Maybe try to compose yourself a little better next time and limit the name-calling?
     
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  23. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    more games
    even more games
    trying to change the subject of my thread
    even more games
    i asked a question
    your reading comprehension seems conveniently poor when your trying to change the subject

    https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2012-02-02/pdf/2012-2287.pdf

    so if the medical hospital need is not considered emergency life saving, they can dump the patient by discharging them and deny further treatment

    note it does not say what happens if the patient becomes unable un-insured and can not pay for ongoing hospital treatment while they are in hospital

    as my question asks
    40 year old anti dumping wound around privatization and de-funding of regional family planing networks etc ...

    so by declaring themselves not equal to specific services they can refuse patients

    however
    as asked in my question
    the question goes unanswered

    usa hospitals that refuse patients ongoing treatment because the patient has run out of money...
    while they are in hospital ...
    what happens
    (& it is the majority of medical treatment which is classed as non emergency life saving but is likely long term life reducing causing pain medication addiction etc)

    usa pain medication and prescription medication addiction
    comorbidity
    and the privatization and profiteering of hospital treatment costs
    and drug addiction
    and over dose death statistics ...

    usa covid co-morbidity fatality caused by un-afforadible health care resulting in complex drug dependency and illness
     

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