Science of Water Memory?

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  1. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    This is a VERY interesting paper. Thanks for posting.

    I got involved in reading about Pollack and "EZ" water in a discussion I had on the nutcase site some years ago. (River actually was a participant in that discussion, under the name "current", where he contributed his usual trolly rubbish.) As for polywater, I actually did a small project on that at school in 1972. I got some water in fine silica tubes that did not freeze until about -30C. But that was as far as I went with it.
     
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  3. KUMAR5 Valued Senior Member

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  7. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Still just an example of pathological water science (link I previously gave, in case you're wondering what pathological water science is).
     
  8. KUMAR5 Valued Senior Member

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    No, I do not and could not understood it.
     
  9. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Why do I not find that at all surprising.

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  10. KUMAR5 Valued Senior Member

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    Also this one."
    Conclusions: We have evidence of an obvious retention of a specific magnetic resonance signal when a substance (lactose, copper, Gelsemium) is diluted/potentized in pure water. This means that homeopathic solutions cannot be considered to be pure water."
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32615611/
    We need to be sure if it happened due to memory of water by some structural change in water molecules or due to change in mix of other molecules in water. Former possibility seems to be oossible by some mechanism beyond the current understanding of science. If so then probably we may need to specukate that all intersctions in nature of memorized by some structural or motion changes apart from chemical changes. Probably it may be a natural slow process of degradation or creation of matters in nature.
     
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  11. river

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    Agreed .

    Water is fascinating . Water is the basis of life , without water life would not exist . Now take that into the deep crust of the Earth and Ocean , where Life exists , and gets its energy from minerals .

    Not from Photosynthesis .
     
  12. KUMAR5 Valued Senior Member

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    Probably there can be some yet unknown mechanisn in science which may explain such memory retained by water of all its interaction s with other substances. I think taste n smell of water (may be its thermodynamics) are felt changed say if12 C dilution without alchohol, if water kept in sinlight than cooled or heated than cooled, salt dissolved than removed etc. Sensing these waters can be felt differently, can suggest water does retain memory of all energetic and matterialist interactions with it. Can try.
     
  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Feeling taste and smell of energetic memory?
    What on earth is energetic memory?
    Chemistry without chemicals?
    How about atomic memory without atoms?
     
  14. KUMAR5 Valued Senior Member

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    Sunlight is an energy if it can be memorized by water, it will be energetic menory. If salt in water is memorized it will be materíalistic memory. Simple. One clour therapy also exist in which they use water in different color bottles kept in sunlight and claimed water in bottle have different healing effects.
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And in what form would that memory have any therapeutic interactive properties?
    Would this memory be physical or metaphysical?
    What kind of energy is good for your health? Charged water, uncharged water?

    What is conditioned water?
    If it is physical it should be measurable. I think the properties of water may well be the most studied subject in chemistry.

    OTOH, if it is metaphysical, then it would not be able to have any interactive properties and is just woo, no?
     
  16. KUMAR5 Valued Senior Member

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    Low dose stimulation of physiological activities on sensing any soectrum of energy should be the basis. It is still a matter of deep research. Logically, in materíalistic quantity a molecule of active substance should have effect and a specttrum of emitted energy from a substance in energetic quantity. Whatever is abnormal exposed to us whether on upper side or lower side should have abnormal effects, therapeutic or not, is a different subject. Hiwever it is anticipated in science that such soectrum of energy can not be stored or memorized by water. But this is a currunt status of science may change tommorow. Whatever is existing in people at mass since long and exoerisnced to have good outcome should not be taken as woo because scientific understandings are yet not sbsolute and complete, always open to new understsnding. Yes one can only claim, under current status of science. Esp those ehich have least lethal or adverse side effects.
     
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  17. river

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    Research on Water has plenty of scientists doing just that , youtube has plenty of videos related to this this topic .
     
  18. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Wikipedia, I think, spells out the issues with "water memory" quite well:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_memory#Subsequent_research

    It's just part of pathological water science.
    https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2010/2010.07287.pdf

    It is quite clear in the first line of the Abstract:
    "Pathological science occurs when well-intentioned scientists spend extended time and resources studying a phenomena that isn’t real."​
    Is that simple enough for you to understand? I've bolded the key part.
     
  19. KUMAR5 Valued Senior Member

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    Will you post link of one most appropriate one study on you tuble.

    We may need to ensure that such observance of water memory if not actually out of one 6 justifications I indicated in my other topic i.e have some molecular basis.
     
  20. river

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    No . You research water memory on your own . Come back to me when your ready . And we will have a discussion . I'm interested in your thinking . Seriously .
     
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  21. KUMAR5 Valued Senior Member

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    I am trying to understand it, if water memory is caused due to dome changes in molecular structure of water itself or due to changes from outside influence...chemical or biological. Hiwever I feel it will not serve the purpose of proving of homeopathic or low dose effect as memorized by water because triturated X remedies with lactose also show similar homeopathic effects. Hence wter and its memory may be irrelevant Unless we consider lactos at par to water. Probably impact of energy travel from higher level to lower level may be more relevant. Sorry.
     
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  22. river

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    That is the start . Vibration as well .
     
  23. KUMAR5 Valued Senior Member

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    Will you enhance it? How memory of active substances can equally apply to water and lactose used in preparation of homeóoathic remedies?
     

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