Science of Water Memory?

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  1. river

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    By shape . Or form of the water molecule . Lactose don't know .
     
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    Water absorbed the energy from a plant for example , that energy formed the shape of the water molecule . Lactose don't know . Never heard of this . But anyway water memory is more than just homeopathic medicines .
     
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  5. KUMAR5 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes water can absorb the energy. Otherwise how it can be hot and cold when heated or cooled. But main issue is how it can store that energy for long. Water will come back soon to ambient temp by keeping it at room temp.
     
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  7. KUMAR5 Valued Senior Member

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    Just a relevant Question:-

    How water remain hot or cold for some time when it is boiled or iced?

    How a magenetized iron piece remain magnetic for some time?

    Dies it justify short memory of energy in these i.e in water and iron(substsnce)? Not sure if other substsnces also hold such type of energy.
     
  8. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Memory of what? Of energy??? How does water have a memory of energy? What is that even supposed to mean?
    Do you ever read the crud that you type??
    You're unsure if other substances get hot or cold???
    Wow.
    Somehow, that doesn't surprise me.
     
  9. river

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    Sarkus just look into water memory on youtube.com . There you find the experiments , done , to show that water has memory .
     
  10. KUMAR5 Valued Senior Member

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    Short memory of heat or cold. Therefore we feel water hot or cold for sometime after we boil it or iced it. I think, I mentioned it. Heat is an energy. If water can retain this short memory than possibility of memory of water is justified. 7th Justification.

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  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    YouTube is lies for the gullible.
     
  12. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Any substance will retain heat for a while (depending on the temperature of its surroundings), as it is due to the kinetic energy of the molecules or atoms of which it is composed, which are in random motion.

    Magnetised iron retains magnetism due the alignment of the spin of electrons in its atoms, which is possible due to their fixed positions in the lattice structure of solid iron. Liquid iron cannot retain magnetism.

    Such questions betray a lack of knowledge of basic science.
     
  13. KUMAR5 Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks.
    But how these changes can not be considered as short memory?
     
  14. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    You can find "proof" of alien visitation on Youtube. You can find "proof" of the existence of bigfoot, of the Loch Ness monster, of ghosts, and everything else you can think of. If Youtube is all you have to offer then you have a long path ahead of you.
     
  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Because to torture the word "memory" until it fits what you want is the opposite of enlightment; it is obfuscation.

    All objects store heat. That heat dissipates at some rate, if you want to redefine heat as memory, you are in for a rough ride.

    You might as well redefine regolith as cheesy and then you can say the Moon is green cheese.
     
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  16. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    This thread goes from the ridiculous to the absurd all too easily.
    I know it's pseudoscience, but surely there are still some limits below which people won't sink?? 'Cos at the moment those limits seem to be a distant memory! (see what I did there!

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  17. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    You can choose to call them memory if you like, but that would not be a scientific description, because just calling them "memory" would not enable you to predict what behaviour to expect as a result. Whereas calling these things by their scientific names enables you to predict their consequent behaviour. That's the value of science, you see. That's why we do science. And that's why made-up bullshit is inferior.

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  18. KUMAR5 Valued Senior Member

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    Along with science, I tend to see things by loguc and practical appearsnces. Obiosly we still need to add a lot more to science to bring it to final level.





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    Structural or chemical changes need to hapoen to get any memory. How there are no measurable structural changes happen in water and iron when water is hested or cooled or iron is magnetized for not not to justify to consider it a memory,? I think structural changes do happen both in water and iron in this case so should justufy it as menory.
     
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  19. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    chemical efficacy range is non effective inside micro dosing of water
    but the placebo effect is real.
    placebos or "activators" can trigger the brain and body to produce chemicals & hormones & pheromones

    scientifically there is a vast range of types of remedy inside homeopathy
     
  20. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Calling it "memory" adds nothing to anyone's ability to predict how these materials will behave, as a consequence of being heated or magnetised. So it's a useless term to use, scientifically.

    Whereas if you say its temperature has been raised, you can predict whether it will get hotter or colder when put in contact with something at a different temperature. And if you say iron has been magnetised you can predict its effect on a compass needle, or its ability to generate an electric current if a wire is moved nearby. You can predict specific behaviour. That's science.

    By contrast, "I think......." is just the gateway to bullshit.

    Which is your speciality, apparently.
     
  21. KUMAR5 Valued Senior Member

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    Predicting abd I think, sonehow matches.

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    We can also predict hot water can burn our hand or iced water can freez our hands. Magnetized iron will attract iron prices can also be predicted. It is also an expression of retriving of memory. So look nothing odd in it.
     
  22. KUMAR5 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes but does poacebo depend on false or fake stimulus or also on real stimulus? May such stimulus be in any form..physical, chemical, psychological, anatomical, biological etc. You abuse to someone. He get so much exited that he start fighting with you or a kiss of live exite ove viable one or you slap anyone than he slap you nore hard in respinse..so on, these are real stimulus. Are these poacebo?
    Just read it:
    "Cephalic phaseEm
    The cephalic phase of digestion is the stage in which the stomach responds to the mere sight, smell, taste, or thought of food. About 20% of total acid secretion occurs before food enters the stomach.."
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reg...e of digestion,before food enters the stomach.

    Is it placebo? No it is not in sciece. It depend on resl stimulus.
     
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  23. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Kumar, again, you can make up any definitions for any terms you want and put them in your diary. But if you want to make sense to any other person, you have to use established language

    This forum is not your diary.

    Applying the term 'memory' to water is as useful sensical as applying the term 'flaming sky chariot' to the sun. Its the stuff of non-science.
     

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