SciForums Policy Discussion

Discussion in 'SF Open Government' started by Plazma Inferno!, Jun 4, 2007.

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  1. Creative Fossil Banned Banned

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    Another thing the forum allows the use of bold and colour, I have never noted YOU ever restrict use to any other member. Yet more evdience of member victimisation. If colour and bolding is not desired DO NOT INCLUDE it as a feature of your board!
     
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  3. Creative Fossil Banned Banned

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    Absane I thanked you for moving it to the back of beyond. No one is suggesting it is removed. The action has already been taken as per 1)
     
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  5. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    I don't have the power to move anything around. It was Plazma that moved FT. It was a weird move at first, but it was a good one.

    But it has been suggested that FT be removed from SF in the past. It's been discussed a few times in the moderator forum. Thankfully (and rightfully) it has not been removed. All forums need an off-topic area.
     
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  7. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    ah, nevermind me.
    i'm just a banned user that came back as a sock puppet, essentially saying fuck you to you and your rules.

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    and got away with it i might add.

    i'll bet you 10 million dollars creative fossil was going on and on about how someone breeched the rules.
     
  8. Plazma Inferno! Ding Ding Ding Ding Administrator

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    Post numero uno. These are rules set for this thread. Very clearly.

    I deleted off topic posts, not only yours. According to Rule 1. of this thread. Simple.

    I don't see Avatar said anything rude. Regarding hostility, moderators were the primary subject of your posts. But, you didn't provide any argument and that is the problem.

    I deleted your 'constructive' posts. I explained it above.

    My reaction? You placed only . and quoted it? Hm? Could you please edit and insert what I said?

    Anyway, I have a question for all participants in discussion.

    Are the moderators only problem on SciForums?

    Let's start from this question if that will be easier for you to avoid the off topic.

    (I have to go now, but I'll be on this again tomorrow)
     
  9. Plazma Inferno! Ding Ding Ding Ding Administrator

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    2) and 3) definitely should be discussed.
     
  10. Creative Fossil Banned Banned

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    Of course Mods aren't the only problem, they are the ONLY problem I cited. I cited it as they are the source of most the complaints threads. I never intiated those threads of which there are dozens. SO really, you denying there is a problem?

    I spent this entire thread pointing out the problem, you still deny it exists. You refuse to address it.

    YOU cannot see how immature and offensive moderator Avatar was being. You just can't see it depsite the red bold font! I have to laugh at this point as you claim the colour wasn't needed.

    .
     
  11. Creative Fossil Banned Banned

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    You know Plazma I WAS trying to be helpful, all you see is an attack on mods. Did it ever occur to you, some of those criticisms are justified?

    I also DID point out there are many great mods on this board, NOT all of them are crap. But some blatantly are.

    Funnily some of your own mods acknowledge that so why can't you!
     
  12. Plazma Inferno! Ding Ding Ding Ding Administrator

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    Check post #20. Then speak.
    Also, I swear I'll ban you if don't stop with whole this drama.
    Don't forget that you're actually banned member. I let you post, because I've banned account, not a person.
    Don't let me change my mind.
    Post suggestions, arguments and improvements.

    If you cannot, then go to sleep and get back tomorrow.


    You clearly disobeys the rules I've set for this thread. I said there won't be off topic and I keep maintain that.

    Feel free to post this whenever you want, I still have my superhero costume in my closet.
     
  13. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe if you give them one more ultimatum they'll shut the hell up.

    On another note:

    Why don't you make it a policy to have a thread for the infractions and bannings you mete out? For example, if a member gets an infraction, the moderator can post a link to the offending post or posts, and briefly explain why the infraction or banning was issued. This will prevent a thousand "We heart Dr. Lou natic" threads from springing up, and at least let other members know the hard and fast boundaries that the moderators are enforcing.

    This could also serve as a discussion forum to hopefully resolve disputes between members.
     
  14. Creative Fossil Banned Banned

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    Ban me bat man.

    You are abusing the wrong person. I am not your enemy. Your own moderators are. You are being led like a sheep by a few bad eggs.
     
  15. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    How stupid do you think we, the mods and admins, are?
    You clearly have an axe to grind with the mod team, so you have chosen to get back to us by (poorly) trying to make us fight and divide among each another, so, when the dust settles, you're on the moral high ground.

    Sorry, dramming sociopath queen, won't happen.
     
  16. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Good idea. However, we would have to post the offending message again, giving it more viewing and generally causing the opposite effect to the one intended.
     
  17. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    That's a good idea and I like it if it can be done automatically and doesn't cost too much time to implement. We don't have anything to hide.
     
  18. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe if it's just a link to a particular post it's not really the same as posting the offending message again.
    Only those that are interested in seeing our actions will see the posts.
     
  19. Bells Staff Member

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    Good grief!

    How about, to address the issue of mods and their behaviour and to ensure they abide by the rules that govern the members, we place a clause explicitly stating that moderators are also to abide by the rules that govern all members.

    And while we are at it, maybe we should also address what is to happen to moderators who breach such rules that would normally result in a ban for members. And we also need to address how members are able to complain about certain moderators they feel have wronged them (to make sure there aren't about 10 threads created for each complaint).
     
  20. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    I see some interpretational problems here.

    Firstly, the policy here is vague: what are the "other things" that are valued?
    Are the stated values of greater import than those 'other' values?

    Secondly, what exactly is derived from these stated values? Does this mean that threads and/or posts that are devoid of intelligent content, ignorant of scientific methodology, lacking in critical thought or reason will be disallowed??

    And therefore Thirdly, who will determine whether or not posted content qualifies as sharing in those values?
     
  21. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    Hi,
    “foremost and among other things” means that intelligent discussion, scientific method, critical thinking and sound reasoning are not the only things valued at Sciforums, but these are given a special importance and priority over others.

    I made this an open clause because nobody can name and pinpoint down all values, it's too immaterial. Law scientists and scholars tried it in the 19th century and failed miserably. So I made it an open clause left for the particular case to identify what is a Sciforums value or isn't.

    There is no sanction in this clause, so nothing is disallowed by it. It just shows on what we concentrate on and guides and advises all members on how to act.
    It also can be used as a reference when a particular action is taken by the administration or moderators, for example, like moving Free Thoughts lower, because foremost we value intelligent discussion, scientific method, critical thinking and sound reasoning, properties which Free thoughts don't meet. Same with We&P.
     
  22. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    Avatar,

    Thanks for the speedy reply.

    Indeed, it would be a monumentous task to elucidate the particular values to be considered prime.

    My major concern was, as you have gathered, that of priority.

    I mean, not that I'm the first person to jump to the defense of the holy-rollers that haunt the Religion forum, but if we stuck to an exclusive interpretation of the listed values, almost all of those folk would be banned from posting.
     
  23. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    No, they won't. And I can assure you that the moderator and admin team recognizes the importance of the Religios forum at Sciforums.

    Let me further explain on your concern. The priority means just that, a priority, it doesn't exclude other things and it is among other things.
    A priority means that we won't have this site renamed to religiousforums or politicsforums, a priority means that we won't judge members based on their political party or religion, just that we will listen more to arguments which are made logically and reasonably.

    As I said earlier, there is no sanction in that clause and it prohibits nothing.
     
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