Sciforums religion survey 2014

Discussion in 'Religion' started by James R, Dec 21, 2014.

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What do you believe? (Select all that apply.)

Poll closed Jan 11, 2015.
  1. I don't believe in God now, and I never did.

    12 vote(s)
    26.1%
  2. I don't believe in God now, but I used to.

    15 vote(s)
    32.6%
  3. I believe in God now, but in the past I did not.

    4 vote(s)
    8.7%
  4. I believe in God now, and always have.

    5 vote(s)
    10.9%
  5. I have no opinion on God/do not wish to select one of the above options.

    6 vote(s)
    13.0%
  6. I don't believe in God, but I believe there is a higher power, life force or similar.

    4 vote(s)
    8.7%
  7. I don't regard myself as religious, but I am a spiritual person.

    7 vote(s)
    15.2%
  8. I believe that human beings have a soul or life force which remains after the death of the body.

    5 vote(s)
    10.9%
  9. I believe in reincarnation.

    4 vote(s)
    8.7%
  10. I describe myself as a follower of a recognised religion.

    3 vote(s)
    6.5%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    I know. The bible isn't taking too seriously by historians and academics, until they find evidence.

    I expect it mate, I just wish the bashers would read what they're opposed to instead of reading bible hating sites for answers.
     
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  3. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    I did check them out, but as soon as I saw "The Evil Bible" it kinda put me off. Spend more time with the original material.

    I wanted your thoughts directly from the bible, if you are going to debate the bible in a religious forum, it's handy if you have first hand experience, in fact it's essential unless you just want to continue using other peoples thoughts.
     
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  5. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    Haha - OK.

    Nice idea but that isn't Christian doctrine.

    John 3:15 - believe in me and you shall have everlasting life.

    This is the only way to immortality as taught by Christianity. It is not sufficient to just be good - you will die if you don't believe in Jesus no matter how good you are. But even the worst rapists/murderers who genuinely accept Jesus will become immortal despite their past acts.

    This is a cornerstone of Christianity even though many Christians might argue against it. The entire point of Jesus was his sacrifice as a gateway for us to reach heaven. Christianity makes no sense if this critical role of Jesus is omitted. So even if I were the most kindest and the best type of altruist, I would still be destroyed in the lake of fire if I refused to accept Jesus as my savior.

    And consider John 3:16 - for God so loved the world that he gave his only son that we would be saved.

    That is also a massive part of Christian doctrine. So it doesn't make sense for God to then say, OK but you can forget that and you'll live anyway.

    So belief in Jesus is critical and since I believe him to be a myth then I am doomed to die no matter how good I am.
     
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  7. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    You'll have to forgive me for quoting the bible...

    Luke 5:32
    32 I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.”

    I don't think you're a sinner Cris, even if you are...

    Luke 23:34
    34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

    John 20:29
    29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

    For the believers are "blessed", not that unbelievers are damned...

    Psalm 82:6
    6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

    gods don't die, energy merely changes from one form to another.
     
  8. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, like I said earlier: it uses direct quotes directly from the Bible.
    There's bugger all "evil" about it, it simply quotes and notes how those quotes contrast with the supposed claims.

    What makes you think I'd do anything other simply give those quotes?
    Since THEY are what we're talking about.

    First-hand experience?
    What sort of bloody "first-hand experience" do I need to provide quotes?

    Since all you've done is avoid actually addressing the hypocrisy of the Bible vis a vis your claims about it I can only assume that you have no intention of doing anything other than make empty and/ or false assertions.
    In which case, I'm done.
     
  9. zgmc Registered Senior Member

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    Everyone is a sinner, though right? Im pretty sure it says so in that book you like to quote.
     
  10. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Go in peace.
     
  11. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    By todays standard, no, otherwise you'd be in prison or getting your hand chopped off.
     
  12. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    Kinda expected in a religion forum, if supported and explained.

    Romans 3:23 - for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

    IOW everyone is expected to repent or die otherwise - whether good or bad - in the eyes of God we are all sinners, and hence no one can be truly righteous. Jesus was just being his usual tricky self again.

    Seems unfair that Jesus picked these soldiers to save but everyone else had to ask for forgiveness. No sign that God agreed with his request though.

    Either way belief is the needed requirement.

    Bible doesn't say that.

    Energy and matter are detectable - there is no sign that gods are either energy or matter - the composition of gods are consistent with things that do not exist.
     
  13. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    but often scoffed @.<<<< it ain't in the dictionary!
    i think paul(saul) was nuts, and an idiot.

    Nope.

    John 20:27
    27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. ADDED: It seems to me that you'll need physical evidence, if it was good enough for Thomas then surely it's good enough for you, at least thomas knew what he looked like!
    What does it say again?

    sub atomic level, what do they know about this dark matter... worth a thread in here or science.
     
  14. zgmc Registered Senior Member

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    You dont go to prison for sinning. Youre being ridiculous. What about Original sin?
     
  15. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    That doesn't show that non believers will be saved. In this case the non believer was shown actual proof - only a complete idiot would deny a proof. No one has shown me any proof so I am still damned.

    It can never be found - the hypothesis is wrong.

    But if gods were ever detected then religion would die, they would become a subject for science to study. Faith would not be needed and without faith religions have no reason to exist.
     
  16. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    In fact, why don't we all do a Jihad against the various disguises of the dictionary.
     
  17. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Were all the Righteous Jews believers? I heavily doubt it.

    Maybe one day I'll get to proove you wrong on this...not yet.
    Exactly.
     
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  18. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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  19. Amazing Moves Registered Member

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    There maybe as much as 500 million planets in the universe that fall in the "Goldie locks" zone of the stars they orbit. That according to astronomers that work on the Kepler telescope.
     
  20. Amazing Moves Registered Member

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    Who are these spirits and God that you converse with? What is the conversation like?
     
  21. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Hmmm. I think you need to update your information: back in November 2013 there were estimated to be up to 40 billion planets in the Goldilocks zone in our galaxy alone, based on info from Kepler. And our galaxy is just one of hundreds of billions within the universe.
    40-billion within our galaxy is likely an upper estimate but there are undoubtedly plenty (billion +), and so a billion billion (or likely much more) within the universe.
     
  22. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, how many could create life? seriously... you can't say because we haven't worked out what created "life" on this planet it's that complex and brilliant.
     
  23. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    The spirits are typically nature spirits, or the spirit of a particular place or location.
    The god I've conversed with, and knew full well who it was, was Hermes. I've spoken with other beings that may have been a deity, but I don't know their names or exactly what they were. But Hermes is a certainty, and it was more than just me talking with him. So it was a case of collective gnosis, rather than just personal.

    As far as how the conversations go, well, they're just usually like typical conversations. Asking questions and talking about things. With these spirits, it's often very simple things and not very much talking (a lot of fucking, though, yeesh); they typically seemed to have been rather unaccustomed to the finer points of human motor function and speech.
    Hermes, well...he's a trickster god, as is noted much in Greek mythology and religion, so you can expect that he's a bit dodgy about things. He refused to speak, communicated only in hand signals, and made us guess as to who he was before proceeding. Then we just kinda asked questions. Not really general questions, like "what's the nature of universe" or "what's the meaning of life" kinda shit. Instead we asked somewhat personal stuff that a god might have insight into. Like, one of girls there asked if her patron goddess, Nyx, was still "there" or if she was ignoring her. I asked if Cernunnos and other horned deities were the same--since Cernunnos is my tutelary god. Nothing really earth-shaking, but it was my primary experience that solidly put me in the camp of relative certainty about the gods existing. It being a shared experience also helped, since I kinda had peer review of sorts.
     

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