Sciforums religion survey 2014

Discussion in 'Religion' started by James R, Dec 21, 2014.

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What do you believe? (Select all that apply.)

Poll closed Jan 11, 2015.
  1. I don't believe in God now, and I never did.

    12 vote(s)
    26.1%
  2. I don't believe in God now, but I used to.

    15 vote(s)
    32.6%
  3. I believe in God now, but in the past I did not.

    4 vote(s)
    8.7%
  4. I believe in God now, and always have.

    5 vote(s)
    10.9%
  5. I have no opinion on God/do not wish to select one of the above options.

    6 vote(s)
    13.0%
  6. I don't believe in God, but I believe there is a higher power, life force or similar.

    4 vote(s)
    8.7%
  7. I don't regard myself as religious, but I am a spiritual person.

    7 vote(s)
    15.2%
  8. I believe that human beings have a soul or life force which remains after the death of the body.

    5 vote(s)
    10.9%
  9. I believe in reincarnation.

    4 vote(s)
    8.7%
  10. I describe myself as a follower of a recognised religion.

    3 vote(s)
    6.5%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    Correction - "We Haven't" not "We Can't". You imply we will never be able to, but you can't know that. The fact that something has not occurred gives no indication that it will never occur.

    Science is an ongoing and developing discipline.
     
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  3. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    There is zero evidence of anything being created anywhere. Everything we know has developed/transformed/converted/evolved from something simpler.
     
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  5. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    How do you know?
     
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  7. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    Excellent - please quote some of the evidence.
     
  8. Photizo Ambassador/Envoy Valued Senior Member

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    So, as far as concerns you, the jury is still out on resurrection of the dead?
     
  9. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    Sure, providing the material available is not corrupted beyond recovery. E.g. if the brain is placed in a form of stasis at the moment of death. A person ceases to exist when their active neural networks decay beyond a point of reasonable recovery. Providing that activity can be maintained/recorded then a resurrection at some future time seems a feasible proposition given new probable technology and medical science. But a resurrection from cremated ashes where no neural activity or network data is available is not a reasonable proposition, as is a body that has been buried in the ground for 10 years.

    In the context of the quote though - this was more a reference to the frequent religious claims that because science cannot do something now then it will never be able to. That is a logical fallacy.
     
  10. Photizo Ambassador/Envoy Valued Senior Member

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    I agree.
     
  11. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    what do you think the "primordial soup" was?
    even given a halfast starting point, we still think it's ludicrous.
     
  12. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    if god is anything, it's "the will".

    if that is the case . . .

    the perfection of the mind/machine interface will have profound effects.
     
  13. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    You mean the conditions where life began? From what I've read it would seem the conditions were very different to what life requires today, even severely toxic to our current needs. A lot of stages took place before we arrived it would seem.
     
  14. Acitnoids Registered Senior Member

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    I was raised in a Christian household but was never convinced of "Gods" omnipotence. I went though the motions to fit into my environment but never felt what I was told I should. I am responsible for leading 100s of people to "the Lord" even though, inside, I felt nothing.

    Today I see "God" as corporeal as opposed to something supernatural. A thing to be respected and understood not a being to be feared and worshiped. That being said I am fascinated by those whom follow what I call blind faith.

    I have studied the Bible and early Christology and knowing the changes and unanswered questions posed I find those whom claim definite divinity to be lacking in the very scripture they hold as divine truth.

    A "rational" person can not persuade a believer with sound logic. It takes the knowledge of Scripture to show how nothing has been definitely settled. To point out the selective interpretation of said verse and show how the tradition of men have superceded the words writin in the Bible.
     
  15. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    The most important of all questions, at least in biology, is "why".

    Why does the religious mix of SF matter?
     
  16. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    We've come pretty far along some critical steps in the space of two weeks using a heated beaker full of crap. I'd say it's pretty damn likely.
     
  17. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    I was just referring to the fact that no matter what science has tried in the lab to create life, even unfair tests, they cannot create life, the simplest form, not even a hypothetical nanobe.
     
  18. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Seriously Cris, what are the chances? I respect science a great deal, logic too, but only someone with incredible faith in science would seriously entertain the idea that intelligent life can exist elsewhere in the universe, the possibility seems hopeful at best.
     
  19. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Because I know what it is like when God ceases to exist in your life. Believe me, God is most certainly guiding you.
     
  20. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2122619.stm

    You were saying?
     
  21. Bells Staff Member

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    I think it is exceptionally short sighted and to be frank, you'd have to be pretty self absorbed, to believe that we must be the only intelligent life in the universe. How much do you rate or value the human race or life on earth to think that intelligent life cannot really exist elsewhere and that we are somehow it?

    And how do you value or rate intelligence in that sense?

    If one were to look at "man", we aren't so intelligent ourselves. We consider ourselves intelligent, but we are also selfish, violent, hateful, self absorbed, we wage wars and kill in large numbers for the most ridiculous and most pathetic reasons imaginable, we breed excessively and dangerously to the point where it is becoming unsustainable. We have driven and killed animals to extinction, we pollute and destroy as well as create and think that makes us superior. I could go on and on. Not to say we haven't done great things as well for our species, advances in science, medicine, etc has helped us live longer and healthier - but that does have its draw backs as well.

    But a lot of our actions certainly do not speak of intelligence.

    If there is a higher deity "guiding us", then it has some seriously fucked up priorities, if you'll pardon the French..
     
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  22. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I was unsure of what you meant by the last half of that sentence "what chance is there for a proven planet like ours?".

    They haven't created it in a lab yet so "what chance is there for a proven planet like ours"? What does that mean?

    Since we know that life exists on our planet but can't create it in a lab it can't be on other planets? Where is the logic in that?

    Us not being able to create it in a lab yet doesn't have anything to do with how it's created and on what planets it could arise on. The universe is full of planets.
     
  23. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Egyptian pyramids:

    http://www.history.com/topics/ancient-history/the-egyptian-pyramids

    I call this evidence because I find it too incredulous to even wonder if ancient man could of, not just build these pyramids, but also apply astrological value to them, i.e

    http://www.math.nus.edu.sg/aslaksen/gem-projects/hm/0102-1-pyramids/page02.htm

    I guess you know how the Mayan pyramids were built, but how can anyone NOT entertain the fact that there was advanced technology involved in the actual movement of the material.

    "Materials
    Some pyramids feature an inner layer of mica imported from Brazil 2,000 miles away without the benefit of wheeled transportation. It’s believed the mica acted as insulation. Other Mayan pyramids were covered with stucco that left unattended would turn to mud. Once the pyramids were abandoned, the pyramids revered to mud with plants and trees sprouting from the mounds."

    Source:
    http://traveltips.usatoday.com/mayan-pyramids-1119.html

    The bible(I'll use this as I think the Old Testament is pretty accurate, compared to the New Testament):

    Ezekiel 1:4 ESV
    As I looked, behold, a stormy wind came out of the north, and a great cloud, with brightness around it, and fire flashing forth continually, and in the midst of the fire, as it were gleaming metal.

    Ezekiel 1:1-28 ESV
    In the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, on the fifth day of the month, as I was among the exiles by the Chebar canal, the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God. On the fifth day of the month (it was the fifth year of the exile of King Jehoiachin), the word of the Lord came to Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the Chebar canal, and the hand of the Lord was upon him there. As I looked, behold, a stormy wind came out of the north, and a great cloud, with brightness around it, and fire flashing forth continually, and in the midst of the fire, as it were gleaming metal. And from the midst of it came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: they had a human likeness,

    Open your mind Cris, not everything has to disregarded because of lack of personal experience.
     

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