Should Freedom of Religion include Freedom from Religion?

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  1. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    An atheist is a person who does not believe in God, and a theist is a person who believes in God.
    To ''not hold the belief that God does not exist' (whatever that means), is but a reason one does not believe in God.

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  3. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    What do you call someone who doesn't believe in ghosts?
     
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  5. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    (Given that there is no specific word for one who lacks belief in ghosts, it may be more appropriate to ask ... )

    What behaviours distinguish a person who doesn't believe in ghosts from a person who lacks belief in the existence of ghosts?
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Define ghost.....

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  8. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Since there is no specific word for one who lacks a belief in ghosts, it may be more appropriate to ask why there is one for one who lacks a belief in God?

    The only difference is that those who believe in God are less humble than those who believe in ghosts.
     
  9. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Agghostnic?

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  10. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    It's what you don't have to call them that matters...delusional.
     
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  11. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    In regards to your first question, you offer ample evidence in your second para.

    Atheists can't apparently leave the issue of mere "absence/presence of belief" alone without bringing their own extra baggage.
     
  12. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Interesting.
    So atheism begets the "real" world view.
    Dig your hole a little deeper. Tell us more ...
     
  13. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Rationalism begets the "real" world view. There may be ghosts or gods for that matter but being rational, I would withhold judgement until there was some evidence for them.
     
  14. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    So the Samurai boots in a photo doesn't do it for you?

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  15. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Truism 101?
    Regardless of whatever rationalism does or does not tell us, you were discussing atheism.

    Interesting.
    So what are behaviours we can attribute to "withholding judgment" to distinguish from those that don't ?
     
  16. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    You were discussing atheism. That's your concept.

    The concept of behaviors that can be distinguished between those who withhold judgement from those that don't was your concept as well. To me it makes no difference if those two behaviors are indistinguishable or not.
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Theism includes Ghosts. Why else does it have a "Holy Ghost" as one of the fundamental Trinity?
     
  18. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Actually you were discussing atheism ... at least until you linked it to rationalism with a truism.

    Then if the behaviours are indistinguishable, you are just discussing semantics.
     
  19. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    It's only semantics that causes you to have a word for "atheism" and not for "aghostism".
     
  20. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Has it co-opted unicorns as well?
     
  21. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Not in all senses, since agnosticism can be tied to some behaviours/states distinguishable from atheism. I say "not in all senses" because the position of agnosticism seems to also be used to assert a veiled type of atheism.
     
  22. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I didn't say "agnosticism" I said "aghosticism"...one who does believe in ghosts.
     
  23. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    If you cannot understand what it means to not believe god does not exist, you are a lost cause. It certainly is not a reason to not believe in god.
    As usual, you have it backward.

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