Should science replace religion?

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by wegs, May 7, 2019.

  1. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    If you live as the sole occupant of a town, how would you know?
     
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    Pats the dumbass on the head and let's it out to go potty.
     
  9. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    I haven't ''concluded'' anything.

    I agree that science can't explain everything, nor do I expect it to. But, even if it could, like the OP states - would we still yearn for more? Are we existential by nature?
     
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  11. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    The conclusion was weighing in science as a substitute for religion .... all on the strength of a mighty big "if".

    I'm not sure precisely what you are getting at with "existential", but you could say that that our limited capacity is what empowers and underlies our very selfhood, not to speak of the epistemology of both empiricism (ie, science) and religion. If you want to take that away by introducing a state where we are not limited ("we understand everything") you are introducing a state that is simultaneously not only radically alien to our current state of being but also renders both categories of religion and science obsolete.

    IOW at the point of introducing that "if..." you introduce something that breaks the conditions we use to know who and what we are. The only sort of answers you will get are answers that reflect the conditions your premise takes the liberty of breaking at the onset.

    Kind of like asking a cobbler what they would do if they ruled the world, and all they can come up with are ways to lend greater finesse to their shoe making business.
     
  12. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    I didn't conclude that, it's a question for debate, hence the thread.

    We've been through much of this in the past 30 pages, so...

    Cliff notes:

    Religion means different things to different people
    Religion can be a ''catch all'' term, for spirituality, faith beliefs, organized religion, etc.
    Religion is a problem
    Religion is needed to have a fulfilling life
    Religion isn't needed to have a fulfilling life
    Science is a process, and not meant to serve as a religion
    Science should have its own religion, or at least one that complements it
    Science doesn't need a religion
    I'm spiritual, and not religious
    I view ''religion'' as the dominant/organized kind
    Disagreements and agreements ensued
     
  13. river

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    Explain further what you mean .
     
  14. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Seems to confirm what I was saying about cobblers.
     
  15. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Everything you say seems to be cobblers.

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  16. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    If you go back a few pages, iceaura brings up his suggestion on that point. Imo, a religion that could complement science is Buddhism, since Buddhism is interested in explaining the physical world, and our place in it.

    Eh, somewhat.
     
  17. river

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    Buddhism is not a religion .

    Yes it is , about explaining the world , but there is only so far it can go . And only so far science can go .

    Together though gives us a more complete understanding of the Universe . Because it includes Life in the discussion about understanding the Universe .
     
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  18. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Yea, Buddhism is more of a philosophy imo, but the closest possibility to complementing science, from any spiritual/metaphysical view. I don’t really have any deep desire to merge science and spirituality, together; they can coexist as is perfectly, yet separately.
     
  19. river

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    Perhaps you don't but I do .

    Physical Science and Life ( which has an energy form all its own ) .

    Life when intelligent enough , will , can and does manipulate energy and matter in this Universe .

    That's what the most advanced Beings in this Universe do .
     
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    It all leads back to Tegmark.

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  21. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    It doesn't take any intelligence at all to manipulate energy and matter.
     
  22. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Oops, wrong thread

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  23. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Science howls when religion treads on its toes and gives the religious explanation on any Science subject, frequently very badly

    I contend many / most don't take such pronouncements seriously, but there will be some who "it contradicts the bible therefore it is wrong"

    I can hear those religious people howling if Scientists pronounced "we have found a place where we think god hangs out and we are doing more checking"

    Do you think the religious people would welcome further research or tell Scientists to lay off?

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