Should time-travel be illegal?

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  1. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    More evidence of your lack of rationality.
    Rational posts are the ones I don't disagree with.
    Honest posts may or may not be argued with.

    And again with the assertion but no supporting argument.

    Then we'd say "Evidence please" and expect you to provide it.

    And your evidence that this is the case is ... what?

    Occur, exist... irrelevant.
    The word "simultaneous" implies a time frame.
     
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  3. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    In your opinion. In fact Professor Carroll is saying time is real, space is real, and that the only questionable aspect is whether time is fundamental or not.
    Your many continued analogies are invalid, because we all experience time differently, despite your invalid analogies.

    You can tell me what you like, but I'm also able to judge that what you tell me actually ignores all the evidence we have that tells us otherwise, and the probable fact that you have an agenda.
    Again, your analogies are invalid and at times totally unscientific, simply because neither space nor time is absolute, and both actually depend on your frame of reference.
     
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  5. ForrestDean Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, of course. All experience is real. I never said the experience wasn't real.

    Which is basically what I've been say, that it is not.

    Yep, once again, of course. I can't remember if I already mentioned this or not, but the perception of time is relative and subjective, so of course we each experience the perception of time differently.

    Hehe, that's cool.

    As far as an agenda? Nah, I have no agenda. I'm just having fun talking this out with you guys.
     
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  7. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    And time is just as real for the reasons already stated and which you fail to address logically.

    Whether it is fundamental or not does not make it unreal: Plus of course whether or not it is fundamental, we do not as yet know, not withstanding your fabricated analogies that do not work.

    Which makes it real, just as real as space, as spacetime, as EMR, or spacetime curvature.
    The views of space and time which I wish to lay before you have sprung from the soil of experimental physics, and therein lies their strength. They are radical. Henceforth space by itself, and time by itself, are doomed to fade away into mere shadows, and only a kind of union of the two will preserve an independent reality.

    — Hermann Minkowski,


    More to the point is that you have no evidence to support any part of your hypothetical.
     
  8. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    But the point is - and it's an important one - you AREN'T "talking it out".
    All you're doing is making assertions and refusing point blank to support support your claims.
    You give every impression that your education is severely lacking.
     
  9. ForrestDean Registered Senior Member

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    I can agree with that.

    "The views of space and time which I wish to lay before you have sprung from the soil of experimental physics" Which is similar to what I have been saying. The perception of time as we experience it born from our observation of this particular physical reality.

    "space by itself, and time by itself, are doomed to fade away into mere shadows, and only a kind of union of the two will preserve an independent reality."

    Makes sense. In other words the perseption of space and time are what we use to make sense of this particular experiential physical reality. Notice he says "an independent reality" and not all of Universe. I also like how he states the union of the two will "preserve" an independent reality
     
  10. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Wow! How anyone can interpret that text the way you interpret is beyond me....I've seen other similar though, by other god botherers.
    It appears to me that some believe the definition of real needs be anything physical that can be felt, seen or smelt.
    That is totally false.
    Do you accept the existence of a magnetic field?
    Then space, time, spacetime, spacetime curvature, all fit the same scenario
    It has its own dynamics and it interacts with matter/energy/momentum in an observable way, and as such, should be thought of as an independent physical entity and real.
     
  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You keep making references to time.

    Well, there is the moment when I finished typing post #59. That is not now.
    It definitely happened, as you can see above.
    It definitely did not occur simultaneously with now, since I only have two hands and one screen.
    And the universe was a demonstrably different place at that moment than at this moment.
     
  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You can get away with this kind of fluffiness here in the Free Thoughts forum. This wouldn't stand whelk's chance in a supernova in any actual science forum, where you'd have to defend your assertions.
     
  13. ForrestDean Registered Senior Member

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    God botherer? LOL, yeah that's the first I've heard of that one. I can't recall ever bothering any god with anything.

    Then I'm sure you'll love this. Everything in our physical reality is not real either. The physical world of matter is nothing but an illusion.

    Yep.

    Hehe, of that I am certain.
     
  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Dude, this concept is as old as science.

    Scientists - professional and armchair alike - are reconciled with the idea that we are wandering in a metaphorical fog, only able to sense "reality" by the tips of our fingers.

    The reconciliation is that what we sense is reality to us. There is no experiment or test we can do to show that what we see is any more illusory than if it were reality.

    Therefore, it has no practical impact on our observations, sceince and research. Therefore, it is - functionally a least - irrelevant. It is left to the philosophers.

    Read up on the allegory of Plato's Cave. And maybe Brain in a Vat.
     
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  15. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Is that right?

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    You know what I mean, and I'm sure once again, I've hit the nail on the head.

    As I'm fond of telling all cranks, if you had anying of a concrete nature, supporting your stance, you would not really be here.

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    Good! And so is space, time, spacetime etc....
     
  16. darksidZz Valued Senior Member

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    I believe they're already here, when you get to that level of tech there really is no ILLEGAL or LEGAL. You can do anything you want regardless of law
     
  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    The question wasn't "can", the question was "should".

    And, as for enforcability - who's to say the cops don't have their own time machines?
     
  18. karenmansker HSIRI Banned

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    To the OP question: IMHO, YES!
     
  19. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    haha They'd have to return in order to prosecute them.

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  21. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Since time travel is impossible

    Since time does not exist

    Therefore time traveling time travelers cannot travel or even exist the question is moot

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  22. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Any yet, here you are, posting 31 minutes after I did.
    A tricky thing to do without time.

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  23. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    hahaha! Now, that's funny.

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