Should your self-driving car kill you to save others?

Discussion in 'Intelligence & Machines' started by Plazma Inferno!, Jun 24, 2016.

  1. river

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    Isn't the idea of self driving cars , a neither scenario would actually happen ?

    Otherwise why have a self driving car in the first place ?
     
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  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Close to correct. Autonomous vehicles will greatly reduce the odds of both, such that there won't be any "who should I kill?" decisions to make.

    Again, you could come up with some bizarre scenario where aircraft autopilots could make such moral decisions. Do they? No, because the call to make such decisions never happens.
     
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  5. river

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    Man that is alot of decisions that this car can not make .

    To me this is analogous to auto-pilot on a aircraft . But it is not perfect .

    Auto-pilot has failed , through tech. And Human error .
     
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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    The list of decisions that a car cannot make is almost infinite.
    Absolutely. And AI drivers will fail as well. The goal is to get that failure rate to way below the human failure rate.
     
  8. river

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    Agreed

    But where does this put HUMANITY in the ability to think and be aware of ones enviroment ?
     
  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    ?? The same place they always were. Having good AI drivers does not make humans less able to think.
     
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Nope. Those situations are beyond the control of the AI, and they will happen frequently for the entire foreseeable future in my geographical region.

    Again: the decision involves probabilities, not certainties. Phrase it as "which risks should I take?".

    And the changes involved in reducing their frequency will - prediction - involve significant changes in the environment in which AI vehicles operate. The low fruit of AI improvement or adaptation is apparently nearly all picked, and the AI folks are already - in my newspaper, etc - talking about adapting the highways, vehicles, rules of the road, and human behavior, to the needs of the AI.
     
  11. gamelord Registered Senior Member

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    If I had looked up the guys name on Wikipedia, I would not have spelled it incorrectly. Time to do deductive reasoning.

    Second, let me ask if you even know what Pacejkas formula is or why it is needed.

    "First off, Pacejka's formulas apply to design of tires, and are often used in driving simulators to model the effects of friction. They have zero to to with collision avoidance. "

    So models of friction have "zero to do with collision avoidance". Good high quality stuff right there.

    You should become CEO of ACME, and design cars that send people careening off the edges of hills in a hilarious and cartoon manner.

    Depends. Are we talking about autopilot cars, which allow you to steer in an emergency, or full out, full-crazy, steering-wheel-less, brake-pedal-less padded rooms.
     

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