This is precisely what I meant when I posted first on this thread. There are people, surely with high post count, they have assumed the role of mainstream protectors. Whenever anything deviating, however objective that may be, comes in these people start the derailment process and start their veiled or open attack. You do not have time to see that, you intervene only when the poster at receiving end looses his temper and pays these resident trolls back. The poster goes, these trolls win and this forum looses. Just think objectively, analyse the contributions of likes of paddoboys and origins, you will see why this site cannot have objective discussion. Did you notice how Origin pokes sylevester and gets rebuffed time and again, did you see how he responded to my post here, did you notice how origin is attempting to poke SimonsCat, did you notice how origin attempted to derail misli thread and got rebuffed. If not please do that. I must tell you, I had two sessions with cosmoquest forum (I do not want to cite, but Paddoboy could not resist), both the threads ran very well with very high number of posts and ran full 30 days, remarkable thing was excellent moderation. No sidey one liners, no nonsense by any poster, even kilopis (>3140 posts) were not spared if they posted nonsense. No complaint to be discussed on the thread, just report only. What happens here, sorry to say mediocres or less have taken the control of science section. The guys feel powerful if they could derail a thread with single word....I call them people with high nuisance value.