# Skeptic finds 4 year Bigfoot project "intriguing"

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1. ### Magical RealistValued Senior Member

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What does that have to do with anything? Does my believing in such things mean they're not true. No..I could believe in purple 3-headed unicorns, but as long as I present good evidence and logical arguments for the existence of Bigfoot, it doesn't really matter does it?

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3. ### Magical RealistValued Senior Member

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He says as he posts in my thread once again..lol!

5. ### DaeconKiwi fruitValued Senior Member

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How would you know?

You haven't presented ANY good evidence or logical argument for the existence of any of those things.

7. ### Magical RealistValued Senior Member

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Bullshit I haven't. This whole thread is filled with video evidence, audio evidence, first hand accounts of rock throwings, tree bangings, footprints, fur samples, heat signatures on camera, sightings, and DNA evidence. It's all there for everybody to see. Denying it won't help you.

8. ### DaeconKiwi fruitValued Senior Member

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DNA evidence? Really?

Really?

9. ### Magical RealistValued Senior Member

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Look it up it in the thread. I'm not repeating the same data here for people who can't keep up with the thread.

10. ### spidergoatLiddle' Dick TaterValued Senior Member

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There was DNA "evidence", meaning samples in a bag. But none of them were unusual.

11. ### DaeconKiwi fruitValued Senior Member

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Can we report people for intellectual dishonesty?

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13. ### DaeconKiwi fruitValued Senior Member

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So once again, you're talking BS.

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15. ### Magical RealistValued Senior Member

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You're lying. Here's the quote from the article:

"Ketchum's professional work includes nearly 30 years in genetics research and forensics. After her team attempted DNA sequencing of hair samples from an alleged Bigfoot encounter, they found some unusual things in the hair. But there wasn't enough DNA to conclusively verify what they were seeing.

DNA Diagnostics received more samples to investigate -- including hair, blood, saliva and urine, all reportedly from various Bigfoot sightings.

Ketchum's team consists of experts in genetics, forensics, imaging and pathology. The researcher said she believes that over the past five years, the team has successfully found three Sasquatch nuclear genomes -- an organism's hereditary code -- leading them to suggest that the animal is real and a human hybrid."

16. ### BellsStaff Member

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Because you started off with a primitive giant chimpanzee at the start of the thread and you ended with a "human" that was braiding hair and leaving art for researchers to look at and see.

Do you not see how ridiculous what you have presented has actually been? To the point where you linked an article about a guy who claimed that the human DNA he found in the forest, where he and other humans were trampling about, was human, so bigfoot must be human.

Not only that, as I commented earlier on, at no time has there been any evidence of "bigfoot" existing, except for what has been published in journals that do not actually exist, or verified by so called scientists who refuse to hand over their "evidence" to unbiased testing facilities.

No. Humans do though.

And that's the thing.

Here you have people who actually make money going out to do this research.

Bigfoot doesn't live in Oklahoma either. For a variety of reasons. It wouldn't survive the winters for one, and something that that mass would starve - because there isn't enough food in the forests of Oklahoma to maintain something that big and which would have a large and varied diet, especially if they are competing with other wildlife - many of which do go and forage in suburbs, while so called bigfoot never has. Because if bigfoot existed, it wouldn't be throwing rocks at huts, it would be rifling through the bins looking for food. There is zero evidence that they are hunting. No animal carcasses or bones. Nothing. Just a pile of nuts that someone claims he found on a rock, therefore, bigfoot!

Not to mention the fact that they would never have survived that long because there are so few of them. If they ever did exist, they would have died out long ago, not only to competition for resources against humans, but also because there would not be enough of them to remain as a viable breeding stock.. They would be inbred and viciously deformed and then die over the thousands of years of humanoid occupation in the US.

And we know this because the only time they would have come across onto the North American continent would have been when humans first made that crossing. And there is no evidence of a giant primate or better yet, groups of giant primates making that crossing. Not one. If archaeologists have been digging and have found evidence of early human habitation, they would have found signs of giant primate creatures.

Think about it, they know all the dinosaurs that existed in North America. And not once, in all of the digging they have done, have they ever found a single bone or tooth fragment that pointed to a giant ape like creature existing in North or South America. Not one. That does not make sense.

We also know that they do not exist because if they did, they would have spread south, into South America, like the early humans spread south. They did not. And there is no reason for them to have not spread south. Spreading south would certainly have provided them with a more varied diet, warmer climate, not to mention less of a bottle neck in competition for food with humans in North America. And they did not.

There is every reason for them to fake their research. Money for one. There are millions on the offer for people who can prove bigfoot. You hold these people out like they are heroes. They get the attention they desire and funding as people who believe as you do, donate money to the cause of finding bigfoot. Others invest their money into the venture.

Startups are famous for setting big, hairy goals. Carmine “Tom” Biscardi wants to catch Sasquatch—and is planning an initial public offering to fund the hunt.

Mr. Biscardi and his partners hope to raise as much as $3 million by selling stock in Bigfoot Project Investments. They plan to spend the money making movies and selling DVDs, but are also budgeting$113,805 a year for expeditions to find the beast. Among the company’s goals, according to its filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission: “capture the creature known as Bigfoot.”

Investment advisers caution that this IPO may not be for everyone. For starters, it involves DVDs, a dying technology, said Kathy Boyle, president at Chapin Hill Advisors. Then there is the Sasquatch issue. She reckons only true believers would be interested in such a speculative venture.

“This would be the kind of thing where if you believed in Bigfoot, or you thought there really was a Bigfoot and you actually had some money to burn and wanted to play with this, then go for it,” Ms. Boyle said. A lot of ifs.

It turns out the IPO doesn’t have many fans in the Bigfoot community, either. Purists are chafing at what they see as the crass commercialization of a serious pursuit.

Mr. Biscardi, who has trumpeted a number of Bigfoot sightings and captures that didn’t pan out, is a controversial figure among Bigfoot enthusiasts. In 2008, he held a news conference in Palo Alto, Calif., to detail his examination of what he said was the carcass of a male Bigfoot that checked in at 7 feet 7 inches tall and weighed more than 500 pounds. The Bigfoot, found by two men in Georgia, turned out to be a rubber gorilla costume stuffed with animal parts and outfitted with a set of teeth that may have been bovine in origin.

Another guy is trying to raise nearly half a million dollars through crowd sourcing, to help him hunt for bigfoot. And you question why people would want to fake their research?

Some even get their own show and on that show, they show exactly the level of dishonesty in how they find bigfoot "evidence" or proof of bigfoot:

One obvious example of the team's lack of scientific rigor is how they take take "evidence" that they have gathered from widely separated areas and claim that these unrelated bits of information somehow corroborate and support some other bit of unlikely evidence, a blurry video, for instance.

In one of their superfluous re-creations, the team has Bobo position himself near a stump in order to simulate a supposed "real" Bigfoot video in which Bigfoot steals a candy bar. Using an infrared camera, the team's efforts look exactly like the original video which proves that the figure in that tape must have been man-sized, not Bigfoot-sized.

Undeterred, the team immediately decides that the "Bigfoot" in the original video must have been a baby one. It is obvious that, regardless of their findings, this team is always going see Bigfoot wherever they go. Their theories are unfalsifiable, a sure sign of pseudoscience. Why even do the re-creation if the outcome is already known?

This is the type of so called evidence you have been touting must be bigfoot in this thread and it is absolutely bogus.

All of which can be done by people and other animals. Even bigfoot hunters complained and admitted that.

As I pointed out above, there is big money in bigfoot. And every reason to fake bigfoot.

17. ### DaeconKiwi fruitValued Senior Member

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There is, however, another, simpler interpretation of such results: The samples were contaminated.

18. ### BellsStaff Member

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Ketchum is also a hack, who self published so that she would not be subjected to peer review and her DNA evidence was actually human, so she immediately claimed that bigfoot is a human hybrid.

None of the so called DNA she claims she found has ever been tested in a non-bigfoot connected lab.

19. ### Magical RealistValued Senior Member

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She wasn't even a bigfoot believer until after they tested the samples. So no, it isn't a Bigfoot connected lab, nor were the 6 other labs they sent samples to. She had trouble finding peer reviewed journals to publish in because there is such stigma in the scientific community about bigfoot. No journal wants to be connected with that sort of research. So she self-published. So what? Why wouldn't she?

20. ### Magical RealistValued Senior Member

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LOL! A humanoid primate would crack nuts with a rock AND do art crafts just like humans do. So your complaint is entirely bogus. Ofcourse a Bigfoot could do both.

Backpeddling on the rock throwing bear thesis again? And no, humans don't prank a cabin of researchers over a period of 4 years out in the remote woods of the Oklahoma mountains. It's as ridiculous as your bear theory. Clearly the creatures are indemic to that area, and show attributes no human or other animal could mimic.

LOL! It's covered with fur. Ofcourse it could survive.

Plenty of deer in Oklahoma...as well as wild hogs.

If they bury their dead, that explains the missing bones. And ofcourse they could throw rocks. Other primate species show the same territorial behavior in the wild.

You don't know how many there are.

Right..like gorillas did. lol!

I already showed you that Gigantopithecus existed and all we have of it are teeth. So it's entirely plausible that many primate cousins of humans existed alongside us that never got fossilized.

No we do NOT know all the dinosaurs that existed. We only have fossils of less than half of them.

"Approximately 700 species have been named. However, a recent scientific review suggests that only about half of these are based on fairly complete specimens that can be shown to be unique and separate species. These species are placed in about 300 valid dinosaur genera (Stegosaurus, Diplodocus, etc.), although about 540 have been named. Recent estimates suggest that about 700 to 900 more dinosaur genera may remain to be discovered."==http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dinosaurs/types.html

Not if they were adapted to colder climates. Bears never migrated south. Creatures tend to stay in the climates their adapted to.

Non sequiter. They would've died of heat stroke and starvation in the hot unforested regions of the south.

So where's all this evidence of faked research just to make money? Should be all over the news by now. Bigfoot organizations raking in millions and faking their results. Do you have any evidence of fakery going on on the level you are claiming? Or are you just poisoning the well again because well, we all know people aren't honestly researching bigfoot, right?

So where are all these fakers you are alleging? How come we don't hear about them on the news? Surely you have more evidence for fakery than just the moral assumption that people who hunt bigfoot are all rotten con artists just out to make a buck?

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21. ### DaeconKiwi fruitValued Senior Member

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If they bury their dead, the bones aren't missing. In fact, it's the one time you can be absolutely certain of exactly where they are.

So why has nobody ever brought any Bigfoot bones back?

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Evidence?

23. ### Magical RealistValued Senior Member

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LOL! Who knows? Why don't you go ask some of those people? You're the one all obsessed with bones here.