So what is the correct protocol for complaining about mod behaviour?

Discussion in 'SF Open Government' started by Dr Lou Natic, Feb 23, 2008.

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  1. Bells Staff Member

    Then why are you?
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  3. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

    I thought ... oh, hell

    It is more convenient, isn't it, if you never have to support the accusations you make?

    I thought you weren't going to go into that whole thing again.

    I'm aware of the situation. And as with the other thread, I'm watching to see how things evolve. If certain things occur, certain actions will be taken.

    The fact that a member seems to have contradicted herself isn't mine to worry about at this time. And, given the more legitimate issues there are to worry about—the extraneity of the posts (notice that there is more than one I have my eye on), the nature of the speculation involved, &c.—it seems a curious proposition that we should focus on simple inconsistency.

    Then again, if that's what's important to you, worry about it all you want.
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  5. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

    Oh this is priceless!!

    So even though this member let us get dragged through the coals by the Mods (YOU TIASSA ESP) and even expected us to apoligize to them for making assumptions. She now turns around and does the EXACT thing to another member. Especially after trying to sound so high and mighty saying that she never assumes or judges ppl like us lowlifes do. But you don't feel the need to say anything about that at all huh.....Then you wonder why ppl here are complaining about Favourtism, or Mods being Bias. This is a PERFECT example.

    Shit you sure would have pointed out for everyone to see in GREEN if I contradicted myself. Why don't you feel the need to do that now, considering all the FUSS that was just
    caused over it recently in the DIVORCE thread. Quite the assumption isn't it. Saying that a member probably had numerous g/fs cheat on them.

    Then Tiassa you posted right after..........but you just chose to ignore her post huh?
    But you sure made a big deal when members made assumptions about Orleander.

    Why don't you call her out for it?
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  7. Bells Staff Member

    Is this what you meant when you said:

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  8. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

    confused about what? The fact that some ppl get raked over the coals by mods and others who do the EXACT thing
    have nothing said to them? That is what ppl around here are talking about. This is a perfect example.

    Hey Bells why don't you have something to say about it either. You were yelling at everyone for making assumptions too. Now the person you were defending is making them towards another member...........

    This after coming across all high and mighty..........I never do that, I don't assume I don't judge....blah blah........

    You have nothing to say about it either huh?
  9. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

    shorty if your talking about LA's thread there was good reason for making that assumption and acting as i did. If i HAD told her what i thought she wanted i could have been charged with computer crime. Since then she has PM'ed me and i her giving her what she DID want (a way to protect herself)

    Sorry but the way it was written ment it was easy to make that mestake
  10. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

    No asguard that is not what I am talking about at all. I am talking about many members got in shit for making assumptions towards
    Orleander in the Divorce thread. We were grilled for pages over it. Orleander basically said we should all be ashamed of ourselves
    after of course she got the backing from a couple of Mods. Then she took the high and mighty road and said..........

    Now she is making assumptions about another member here in another thread. But the mods don't feel the need to say anything about that
    because she is one of their buddies you see. I am sure that that member doesn't appreciate have things being assumed about them like that either.

    This is the reason ppl get so pissed around here. If you are going to call out certain members for behaviour or contradictions whatever CALL THEM ALL OUT!
    Don't just pick and choose who you like or dislike.
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  11. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

    oh sorry
  12. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

    Np I have never had a problem with you. There are mods here that seem pretty fair about stuff. I remember getting infractions from some of them.
    I thought some were deserved and some not. James R gave me quite a few at one time, but he also listened when I had a complaint and seemed fair.
    SuperString and Spidergoat have been helpful as well. Some of the others I haven't had many dealings with. But some MODS here as the other members have said, are really bias towards certain members and it is VERY Obvious.
    I think that is all members would like to see. That everyone has the same set of rules. There are no favourites.
  13. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

    Well, gahhhhd damn!

    People contradict themselves all the time around here. Sometimes it is pertinent to a particular discussion. Sometimes it isn't. Congratulations. You've caught a member contradicting herself.

    What strikes me as odd, though, is that, compared to this issue which reflects your running, petty dispute with said member, the fact that I have my eye on more substantive issues about the post in question is unsatisfactory to you. It seems that you're demanding action based on the pettiest possible aspect of the issue.

    Why? Stop and think about it for a moment. Oh, right, you're not actually concerned with real aspects of potential offense. You just want to score some points for yourself in a childish dispute.

    Just ... think about it. Is there anything about the post that might be more important than the appearance of contradiction?

    (The answer is Yes. And the next question is What other issues might be more important than whether Shorty feels like she score a zinger?)
  14. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

    Yeah I stopped and thought about it. You have insulted me, called me out made a whole thread about me, because you didn't like how I questioned a member. You grilled other members for making assumptions about a member here. You wrote pages......This is not for me to score points it is to POINT out how you love to call out certain ppl call them Liars or that they are full of bullshit. Here is a perfect example of someone who is totally full of BS even contradicting but you won't say a thing about it....Actually no mods except for Invert once has ever commented on this members questionable behaviour on these boards. Instead they turn it back around and make it someone elses fault never leaving this member accountable for anything.

    Now when this member you so defended does the same thing to another member here you look the other way. You don't even have time to write one comment about it huh. I think that says more about how you moderate then i could say........That's right who gives a shit about the person she is making assumptions about........not a buddy of yours so who gives a crap.

    I am done with you because really what the hell is the point! You won't admit what is clearly obvious to not only me but other members here.
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  15. countezero Registered Senior Member

    No, I'm not suggesting moderators be apolitical, but demagogue is hardly a flattering term. More specifically, one can be political without intentionally stirring up shit to puff up their own pathetic egos or create a situation for selfish, bizarre and cathartic rants.

    You also ignored the latter part of my statement, where I talk about personal attacks. Members ought to be able to report moderators for personal attacks and expect a positive response. Unless, of course, you agree with Tiassa, in that you think it's OK for a moderator to attack someone if the moderator deems they deserve it?

    I'm all ears...

    I don't wish to make this personal, so I have avoided using names or linking to specific examples, but there is at least one moderator who can absolutely destroy threads with numerous — and quickly posted — one or two-line posts, many of which are little more than cannards that have little or nothing to do with the thread topic. This is trolling, in my book, and if a member did it, as some do, it would be stopped — or at the very least curtailed. The fact this doesn't happen is why I want to be able to put moderators on ignore.

    It is a waste of my time to come here, post something that I think is thoughtful and well-researched only to have a complete fool of a human being fire back with some inane riposte that is designed specifically to "start something" and turn the thread into a wrestling match. Whether this is the fool's intent or not, I don't know, but the results are what they are, and I've seen dozens of good threads derailed by what can only be described as this mod's antics...
  16. Bells Staff Member

    Again, is this you not wanting to get into this again?

    As you are well aware shorty, my comments in that thread had more to do with the manner in which you and others attempted to denigrate another member, asking, no, demanding, she tell all and sundry why she had decided to wait before having sex. You completely ignored her comments earlier on in the thread where she stated her reasons quite plainly for all to see. But that was not enough. When she advised you of her reasons for having ended the relationship, a reason which most people would have gotten from what she had said earlier on in the thread, you again pestered her about why she waited and how she could not have known.. Explanations were given several times, but you chose to ignore all, concentrating only on the object of your hatred and you further attempted to insult her. You not only demanded answers, you denigrated and insulted her for something that was not her fault. You abused her because something terrible happened to her. Now don't get me wrong, people make stupid mistakes. We all do at some point or another. But few expect to be abused and insulted by others because of it, especially when it comes to something so personal and emotionally painful. What you did to her would be akin to laughing at someone and denigrating them if they admitted they had been raped. And knowing what had happened to her, the comparison is not that far off.

    That's the thing shorty, you didn't just judge her in that thread. You saw it as an opportunity to insult her and you took it with all claws out. It was quite obvious. Is it one oneupmanship? Popularity contest? Need for attention? The two of you had been taking little jabs at each other all over these forums. You saw your opportunity and you took it. And it backfired for you this time, just like it has backfired for her in the past as well. You know the saying, you reap what you sow? Run with it.
  17. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

    I read that thread over a few times. What you are explaining here isn't what I see at all!
    I demanded nothing! Pestered, Abused, Denigrated her........LOL You have got to be kidding me. Are you sure you read the same thread I did

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    Whatever, .....Give me a break. If the members in that thread were that vicious and abused a member to the degree that you have dreamed up in your own little mind.
    Why were we not banned??

    Like I said I asked the same question as another member, something I just didn't understand. I would have asked another member here the same thing.
    YOU are just using the fact that I don't get along with her as an excuse, to say I was going out of my way just because it was her.

    Done talking to you about it too. I give her credit she sure knows how to wrap you guys around her finger.
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  18. Gustav Banned Banned

    are these guys the one liner folks?
    pages and pages of chat?
  19. Gustav Banned Banned

    if mods wannna to have some fun, let em
    as long as mod privileges are not invoked in the troll.....
    penalize equally if necessary

    /mods r us

    the example

    "moderation will be skull deep"

    author can claim and explain
    just for kicks

    nevermind that tho
    just never, ever, fucking ask that question again
  20. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

    On the record ...?

    You figured all that from thinking about her post?

    Wow. I'm impressed. Sometime when you're feeling better, I'd love to hear how that mosaic of insight and impression fits together.

    We all make assumptions, Shorty. I just don't understand why people insist on presuming the worst of one another.

    What you seem upset about is that moderators haven't done what you would do. However, as you're predisposed to seek petty arguments with the member in question, it's probably a good thing we don't handle things like you do.

    Well, I'm sorry I haven't jumped to knee-jerk conclusions in order to assuage your attitude problem.

    The observable fact that you won't actually address the issues put before you, but instead prefer to whine and cry and pout puts the notion of what is clearly obvious to you in a dubious light.

    I don't think anyone would dispute the appearance of contradiction in the post you've picked out, but as a moderator I find that particular pettiness secondary (at best) in comparison to the situation that may or may not be developing.

    You know someone else might be the biggest bitch or prig or asshole under the sun, Shorty, but what the hell does that have to do with you?

    You know, a few of your posts (#1757335, 1758177, 1758354) would have stood in their own context—despite their presumption and independent of how you feel about certain other people—had you not given a thumbs-up to an insult and described it as "copying what I am saying" or suggesting the problem was someone's nagging and complaining.

    Furthermore, those posts didn't even become an issue until after you inserted yourself into another argument, making fallacious claims (addressed by Bells) and asking me questions. I answered those questions and dealt with another poster's flaming. Your response to that was to make the issue specifically about Orleander, pretend to be oppressed and abused, and start yelling. Since you complained about other moderators, I addressed that point as a moderator, so it's worth noting that your complaint about what I would have "pointed out for everyone to see in GREEN" depends on a distortion of context. I advised you of what was needed to have the issue you raised given official and proper consideration by the moderation and administration of this site, but you would not do that—and have not yet, as far as I am aware—instead opting to yell some more and say you were not going to discuss it anymore.

    That was five days ago.

    Oooh, melodrama. Do you understand that if you had not gone out of your way to stick your nose into another dispute, and then threw a tantrum and raised the issue of other moderators, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now?

    You were flying under the radar. Notice I didn't say jack shit to you about your off-topic post accusing someone of being a sock-puppet? I just deleted the post and went on with things? Life is. Would you prefer if I banned you for that? I mean, a week later would be a bit unusual, but if you want, hell, why not?

    Do you realize that your conduct was passing through the gates without comment until you made such petty bullshit an issue?

    Seriously, can you comprehend that fact? The only reason I had for regarding your role in that topic in the first place was that a member who said another owed him information so he could better cast moral judgment attempted to invoke you as a defense?

    I didn't actually give a damn. And I still didn't. Not until you raised the issue, Shorty. And from that moment on, you've been misrepresenting the situation in a fairly predictable manner. This whole thing seems to be about you and how much you dislike someone else. Did you miss where I advised another member that the object of your loathing has been known to annoy me before? I wouldn't fault you for missing it. It was just a sentence buried in a part of a post responding to someone else entirely.

    We're having the discussion you wanted to have. I'm sorry it's not going the way you intended, but some needs are beyond our ability to accommodate.

    And that's your problem. Stop making it everybody else's.
  21. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

    This is my personal opinion and nothing more but for christ sake how long are you three going to keep having this argument?????????????

    All three of you are being childish, grow up

    This is just my personal opinion however not my opinion as a mod
  22. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

  23. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

    I do have to admit I'm a closet fan of shorty's posts, especially the ones that follow this template:

    blah blah whine blah nag blah whine whine blah blah bitch blah whine bitch whine nag blah blah blah bitch whine whine whine blah blah blah

    but whatever, i'm not going to bitch/whine/nag about it.

    I get a nice healthy chuckle every time I read one of those.
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