Spanking children, a parent's right ?

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Cazzo, Aug 20, 2008.

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When it comes to parents spanking their kids butts :

  1. The UN should be able to criminalize spanking for ALL parents everywhere.

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  2. Only individual states or countries should criminalize spanking if they want.

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  3. Parents should be allowed to spank their own children, it's their buisness alone.

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  4. Other.

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  1. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    How do you reason with your dogs? When my dog was a puppy he listen very well. So hitting him seemed like the only way to get through to him. He associated being hit with me being angry and now he has seemed to grasp a better understanding of the english language I can just tell him to stop or to go away and he does and I don't have to get mad. But if I am mad yelling at him makes him feel bad enough, so I no longer have to hit him, plus he's to big for me to hit or physically force him to do anything. So establishing respect at a young age is essential, I think.
     
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  3. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Respect? No, you didn't establish respect. Far from it.

    Respect: An attitude of admiration or esteem.

    Here's what you established:

    Apprehension: Fearful expectation or anticipation
     
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  5. Chatha big brown was screwed up Registered Senior Member

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    parents will always spank or cause when no one is watching. I got my fair share, sometimes I even thought I was an adopted child. Spanking can be good, last resort when all else fails.
     
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  7. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    It's probably not the most important aspect of training a dog, but most certainly ranks right up there.

    "Corrections" should never include harmful physical force or violence.

    For you and your situation, Cutsie, will remain forever the dog being in a complete state of apprehension during your presence. No trust on the dogs part, other than viewing you as a food supply, will ever form.

    Nice relationship you've fostered. And now you wish to apply those same tactics to children?

    Not very 'cutsie' of you.
     
  8. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    We need discipline somehow
     
  9. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    :bravo: well said and I agree. I don't assault my kids. My children started with time outs and now have moved to groundings. My son even lost the door off his bedroom once. That kills a teenager.
    My brother got weekly spankings. You would think my folks would have noticed it wasn't working. Started with a hand, moved to a belt. My brother and his wife now spank their 5 boys. Those boys beat on eachother constantly. My kids sit and watch and wonder what the hell is wrong with them.
     
  10. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Military Discipline Schools!
     
  11. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    Those boys beat on eachother or are playfighting which boys growing up do. It isn't the same when you have a boy and a girl.

    My 2 are always horsing around playfighting too. Sometimes it ends badly and one of them takes it too far and gets hurt. It is just was 2 boys growing up do.
     
  12. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    Me and my niece do that, and if my brother was not autistic we'd probably do that all the time.
     
  13. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Neither of my children rough-housed with any of their friends or relatives. They found better ways to get rid of all that energy.
    Its also nice that I never have to hear someone whine that someone else hit them. That gets old fast. But not near as old as "boys will be boys" crap.

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    My husband nearly came unglued when our daughter got nailed by my nephew with a flying tackle in a race to the trampoline. Face full of grass and a bloody nose, but hey "boys will be boys"

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  14. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah I know girls do too, but it more common between 2 brothers I think. Yeah boys will be boys. But my boys know better then to roughhouse
    with girls. I have never seen them once push./shove/ tackle a girl. I would have seen it because they have a lot of girl friends. They just instinctively know better. It is not something I have had to talk to them about.


    They play fight and wrestle amongst themselves.....it is a natural boy/ brother thing, there is nothing wrong with it. Most of the time they are laughing even when one has the other one pinned.
     
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  15. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    My niece is like that. She doesn't know when to stop, either. She thinks it's hilarious to kick and punch me in earnest. Though since coming to stay she's learned that hurting someone 3 stone heavier than you isn't a good idea. Not that I'd damage her, but if she refuses to stop I'll hurt her back in a measured way. Last week, she asked me to pretend to die, so I did, she kicked me in the kidneys. I got annoyed and roundhouse kicked her form the floor. She's since restricted herself to just play fighting.
     
  16. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    You also seem to be associating giving your kids a spanking with rough-housing they do amongst themselves. I don't think they go hand in hand at all.

    I have never met anyone with 2 or more boys that never play fight or rough house.
    Shit I know grown adult men (brothers) who still rough house with eachother. It is not abnormal as you are making it out to be.
    They just do it for fun, not out of aggression.

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  17. Oniw17 ascetic, sage, diogenes, bum? Valued Senior Member

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    Are you suggesting that a behaviour we share with pretty much every mammal(playfighting) isn't something that comes naturally to boys?
     
  18. vslayer Registered Senior Member

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    what exactly is the difference between you smacking your son and your other son smacking him? you used violence to punish something that you viewed as wrong, and so does he. either violence is acceptable or it isnt, you cant use a double standard and expect a child to understand it, i doubt many adults would understand the logic of such a double standard either.
     
  19. Oniw17 ascetic, sage, diogenes, bum? Valued Senior Member

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    The government can put you in prison, but if I lock you in my basement, I'll get in trouble. Isn't that a double standard?
     
  20. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Animals also eat their young. Can I do that?
     
  21. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I know there are people here who read that and thought "what the hell!?"

    Why is it that its ok when boys are rough with each other and aggressive but what you have just described is cringe worthy because it was girls.
     
  22. Oniw17 ascetic, sage, diogenes, bum? Valued Senior Member

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    What mammal eats it's own young? Surely not the majority of them. And how the hell do you equivalate playing with killing?
     
  23. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    What's wrong with kids playfighting, esp 2 brothers? It can get on your nerves sometimes but they are just doing it in fun. My oldest one is quite a bit bigger then the younger one so he knows not to really nail him. If they were doing it out of aggression they would be trying to hurt eachother, which they aren't.

    I guess running around the house shooting nerf balls and arrows at eachother is just another way they are expressing agression and should not be permitted either?

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