Splinter Discussion - Hypothetical Question: If Bugs Aren't Worth Fixing

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  1. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    ...hmmmm...almost sounds like something that could make an unknowing consumer believe that they "NEED TO PURCHASE" a "NEW" computer or "SERVICE"...
     
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  3. Kittamaru Giving up this insanity for Lent - back ~ 4/15 Staff Member

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    Service perhaps - mostly these "finally fast PC" adverts and such. The problem is the operating system itself, and the code therein - a new computer would not necessarily fix that (unless they went to a different OS)
     
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  5. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    ...re-read my Post, Kittamaru!

    ...possibly take note of the "unknowing consumer" that I mentioned.

    If everyone was truly computer savvy...these "bugs" would be a Non-Issue.

    A proficient computer technician/programmer knows as much.
     
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  7. Kittamaru Giving up this insanity for Lent - back ~ 4/15 Staff Member

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    True, true - the thing is though, things like this and the recent NSA spyware find... they would be on ALL computers - even buying a new one, it'd seem just as 'slow' as the other

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  8. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry, Kittamaru...but if you must insist on arguing with yourself...would you please do it without "quoting" my Posts.
    In none of my Posts did I say anything about 'spyware' being "ON" or "NOT ON" any, let alone, "ALL" computers.
     
  9. Kittamaru Giving up this insanity for Lent - back ~ 4/15 Staff Member

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    Then what are you arguing would cause the "unsavvy consumer" to buy a new PC? Do you mean the "broken" websites from web-code changes?

    I apologize - I thought you were referencing the recent discovery that there was tracking capability built into the firmware of hard drives shipping from the factory.
     
  10. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    I am "arguing" nothing, Kittamaru.
    I simply made a comment : "...hmmmm...almost sounds like something that could make an unknowing consumer believe that they "NEED TO PURCHASE" a "NEW" computer or "SERVICE"...", nothing more.
    I stated/typed "could make an unknowing consumer"...and that is what is displayed in my 'browser'.
    Possibly, "would cause the "unsavvy consumer" is what gets displayed in your 'browser'?
    Again, Kittamaru, I did not state/mention/type anything about any "..."broken" websites from web-code changes".
    It would be nice if you would choose to put words into the mouths of any other "Member" than myself. Like I said, I am not "ARGUING" anything.
    If you, Kittamaru, feel such a compulsion to "ARGUE"...please do it without "quoting" my Posts...PLEASE??

    Kittamaru, If I was "referencing the recent discovery that there was tracking capability built into the firmware of hard drives shipping from the factory."...then there is every possibility that I would have stated/mentioned/typed something like that in my Posts.
    Kittamaru, I did not state/mention/type anything "referencing the recent discovery that there was tracking capability built into the firmware of hard drives shipping from the factory.", So...again you appear to be Trol...er...Trying to "ARGUE WITH YOURSELF".

    Please, Kittamaru, would you PLEASE do so...without 'quoting" my Posts...PLEASE???

    Thank you!
     
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  11. Kittamaru Giving up this insanity for Lent - back ~ 4/15 Staff Member

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    *shakes head*

    You've got a head full o' steam over nothing here DMoE... my point was simple:
    You stated:
    Now, I thought you we referencing the discussion above about the use of embedding a virus in an image file, et al - see posts #3, #4, and #5 (the numbers are links).

    As such, my reply to that was about how such an attack would not be computer specific, but could easily be used to scam someone into buying a "service" they don't need (such as one of those My PC Finally Fast things)

    If I was mistaken as to what you were referring to (as it would seem), then I do apologize.

    The reason I quote your posts is to keep things straight in the terms of the discussion - to be honest, the only reason I can see why someone would ask NOT to have their posts quoted would be if they intend/desire to be able to change/redact them later.
     
  12. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    Okay, Kittamaru...*shakes head* all you want or need to.

    I have no "head full o' steam"...you are making an "ASSUMPTION" or a "PRESUMPTION", perhaps?

    You "thought"...that is what you claim that you did, not me. As such, only you have any control over your thinking.

    As far as any reasons you can see...Mehh!!!

    The reason that I asked you NOT to quote my Posts is because they had absolutely nothing at all to do with the "Strawman" arguments that you were having with yourself.

    I clearly stated as much.
     
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  13. Kittamaru Giving up this insanity for Lent - back ~ 4/15 Staff Member

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    You apparently do not understand what a strawman argument even is...

    Allow me to educate you:

    http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

    I never attacked your position, nor did I claim your position was false - I simply stated a fact, which was what you said, and I quote (and will continue to quote since you seem to insist on being pedantic)

    Again, given the previous posts in the thread, and indeed another ongoing discussion in this very sub-forum, it seemed reasonable to me that you were referring to either A) the threat vector previously discussed or B) the discussion about what Kaspersky Labs found in the hard drives, which represents another attack vector.

    As such, my reply was simply that of fact... which you took offense to:

    I acknowledged that fact here:

    Which is where I mentioned the NSA Spyware - I never claimed YOU said anything about it. At which point you got defensive

    I didn't claim you DID say anything about it, and thus I responded

    at which point you accuse me of putting words in your mouth

    Note, in your post #8:

    Then what are you posting, if not a discussion? This is not a personal blog... if you make a post, expect people to reply to it.


    I never, nowhere, said you DID - I said that I believed you were referencing it, and I even apologized for being mistaken.

    If you are still "confused", well... at this point, I can't help you much.

    EDIT - and for the record - yes, at this point, I am a bit miffed at your hostility and baseless accusations...
     
  14. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    Kittamaru :

    1. - You are in no position to decide what I do or do not understand.

    2. - You have no right/ability to educate me.

    3. - The record of what was "POSTED" is on this Forum for all to read - until such time as any site "Moderators" choose to edit it.

    4. - As far as "accuse", what I stated/typed was : "It would be nice if you would choose to put words into the mouths of any other "Member" than myself. Like I said, I am not "ARGUING" anything."

    5. - Kittamaru, I am "Posting" to try and be part of a discussion - not to engage in any "ARGUMENT". There is a difference between having a discussion and engaging in an argument!

    6. - Kittamaru, I am NOT CONFUSED - I am NOT BEING HOSTILE - and I am NOT "MIFFED". NOR am I the "Member" that is making the "BASELESS ACCUSATIONS".


    7. - Kittamaru, If you cannot handle my presence on this Forum, that is for you to deal with. I would very much appreciate it if you would not bother me with it...PLEASE???

    Thank you and have a Good Day.


    EDIT - and for the record : As an adult, I have the ability to maintain my composure...in any situation...in any conversation...
     
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  15. Kittamaru Giving up this insanity for Lent - back ~ 4/15 Staff Member

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    Then act like you understand it, instead of throwing it around like you do not.

    Actually, it is not only my right, but my responsibility; allowing ignorance in any form to fester is a disservice to humanity as a whole.

    Are you claiming moderators edit other peoples posts at will? Or perhaps that you are unable to edit your own posts?

    Indeed - thus, you are accusing me of "putting words in your mouth", yet as the quotes plainly show, I did not.

    An argument is merely a discussion with two sides- arguments can be quite cordial and friendly, and do not need to be hostile.

    If that is true, then act like it.

    My only "issue" is when you start throwing a hissy and/or perpetually stalking/harassing other members of this forum... given your history herein, I believe that my concerns in this matter are quite valid.

    You as well.

    I would highly doubt that, as it would not mean you are an adult, but emotionally dead.
     
  16. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    So....Kittamaru, are you now making accusations of ignorance...?

    ...from : http://sciforums.com/threads/sciforums-site-rules.142880/
    "Posting and moderation
    Posting on sciforums is a privilege, not a right. All material published on sciforums is at the discretion of the moderator team. Moderation may include editing, moving or deletion of posts or threads. Moderator actions are usually documented in some way, though members may not be contacted personally."
    ...the above quoted from : http://sciforums.com/threads/sciforums-site-rules.142880/

    In school and college that was referred to as a DEBATE...and decorum was maintained.
    Meh...

    Reads kind of PREJUDICIAL...heck even if it was an ARGUMENT...one should attack the ARGUMENT - not the "Member" proposing it.

    Sorry, Kittamaru, but a true adult has control over their emotions - they are not a slave to them.

    BTW :
    Kittamaru, that is oddly similar to what I opined in my Post #6 :
    Kittamaru, if you have problems with my PRESENCE or POSTS on this Forum...perhaps you should put me on ignore...
     
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  17. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    So , what part of the following "seemed factually incorrect"?
    Meh...
     
  18. Kittamaru Giving up this insanity for Lent - back ~ 4/15 Staff Member

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    Well, for one, I would imagine many of the people capable of executing such an attack would use it in a more stealthy fashion... instead of slowing the computer down or broadcasting annoying popups et al, they'd probably use it as a method of getting a keylogger or possibly remote access on a system, to the end of possibly getting personal info (credit cards, et al) or even to make the system part of a botnet.

    Secondly, even if it were an "apparent" infection, not many people (that I know) would readily go out and replace a computer because of a virus. Most would seek to have it fixed - hence why i said that the part about services would be potentially accurate.
     
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  19. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    Imagine???
    Kittamaru, I am sorry but I stated/mentioned/typed nothing about an ATTACK...
    "Apparent", Kittamaru?
    Yes, it is "Apparent" what is going on here ...

    All I said was : ...hmmmm...almost sounds like something that could make an unknowing consumer believe that they "NEED TO PURCHASE" a "NEW" computer or "SERVICE"...

    Why did you have to take issue with that Honest comment?
     
  20. Kittamaru Giving up this insanity for Lent - back ~ 4/15 Staff Member

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    Your continued attempts at trolling are tiring... it is quite obvious from how skillfully you are avoiding the point i made that you recognize exactly what it is, so I see no reason to further continue this conversation, nor to leave this thread contaminated with our exchange - I am going to splinter it off into its own thread to keep this one clutter-free.
     
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  21. Kittamaru Giving up this insanity for Lent - back ~ 4/15 Staff Member

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    Just calling it as I see it.

    Indeed, as part of moderating a member/post. Mods do not generally go and edit others posts for kicks and giggles...


    http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/debate
    You are aware of what a synonym is... right?

    Perhaps, or perhaps recognizing a persons troubled past is simply good logic... or are we expected to forget about past problems and be "surprised" when they crop up again?


    How very Vulcan of you

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    Not really sure how that is relevant to the argument/debate/deliberation/confabulation/dialogue at hand...

    If it were something as petty and trivial as a "problem with your presence", I would just ignore what you are posting - from my point of view, the simple fact is that you made a statement that, to me and my experience, seemed factually incorrect. I stated as such, and you got defensive.

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  22. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    SciForums Moderation is getting even worse.

    Kittamaru, my condolences go out to you.
     
  23. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    So, Kittamaru, what part of : ...hmmmm...almost sounds like something that could make an unknowing consumer believe that they "NEED TO PURCHASE" a "NEW" computer or "SERVICE"..., seemed factually incorrect?
     
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