Stars Are Alive!

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by TruthSeeker, Jun 22, 2006.

  1. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    I think I am arguing to get him to see more sides than one... it seems he is stuck in a box and all he can see is limited by the box. I wish I had some more red pills

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    Maybe.. maybe not. Help me find out.
     
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  3. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    I'll try. Gotta go suck some helium now. Nighty night.
     
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  5. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not the one in the box- that's for sure... The one's that are in the box are the ones who are stuck in the conventional view and cannot think outside that narrow perspective.

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  7. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    If that is the case, why are we having this discussion?
     
  8. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Because nobody here is able to think outside the box? Well, aside from me...

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  9. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    I'm simply pulling your arguments apart. Why not reply to my last critique?
     
  10. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Einstein said exactly what I'm saying. You disagree. The proof is right there. I mean... what else can I say, really?

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  11. Parmenides Registered Senior Member

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    Stars don't evolve like living organisms do on Earth. Richard Dawkins said evolution is likely to operate wherever 'life' is in the universe and the evidence seems to bear that out on Earth. In my view the fact stars don't evolve biologically indicates strongly against the argument they are 'alive.'
     
  12. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Again- define life.
     
  13. The Devil Inside Banned Banned

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    if you werent in a box, you wouldnt be speaking any languages, nor would you have a name for what a star is, wouldnt have an opinion at all.

    to say that you are "outside the box" means that you have NO thought.
    dont be stupid.
     
  14. The Devil Inside Banned Banned

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    the property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism.
     
  15. c7ityi_ Registered Senior Member

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    c7 is able to. i defined life 4 times already.

    1. something that can express itself in somehow (self consciousness)
    2. something that strives for its survival/existence.
    3. motion (what else could start motion but consciousness)
    4. we call this life, so everything is alive.
     
  16. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    I never have, because defining it only starts a debate that will never end simply because no one will be happy with a definition. I am not a literalist, however.

    I have said this: But I think what we consider to be "alive" (as in, plants, roaches, humans, unicorns) is a subset of a general description of motion and order.


    And whatever this "subset" is, that is life.

    We would all be better off agreeing on what is alive or not alive, but trying to find a single word that describes them all will result in failure.,
     
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  18. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    Most of us already have and you just refuse to look at them. Here, I'll give you a short repeat.

    Life is matter that relies on coded information to replicate, organize, grow, and evolve.

    Stars are not alive.

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  19. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    I think TS is a literalist when it helps him with his argument, but then a non-literalist in the other cases.

    However, superluminal, I can take your definition and tweak it to say a star is alive. However, the point of my attempt to help classify life at least tells us it is matter with specific properties that are comomn among all matter.
     
  20. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

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    Give it a whirl.

    Take my definition and show that:

    - stars replicate
    - they use coded information to do this or any of the other attributes mentioned.

    Remember, just because a thing shares one or two attributes with "life" does not make it alive.
     
  21. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Do you know the expression "think outside the box"? Well... that's what I'm talking about.
     
  22. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    If you cannot define life, you cannot claim a star is not alive.
     
  23. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Thank you.
     

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