Stingrays and Interceptors and Fake Towers Oh My

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Kittamaru, Sep 4, 2014.

  1. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/1...ps-and-providers-use-to-track-your-every-move

    http://www.wired.com/2014/06/feds-told-cops-to-deceive-courts-about-stingray/

    http://www.wired.com/2014/09/cryptophone-firewall-identifies-rogue-cell-towers/?mbid=social_twitter

    *headdesk*

    This is... quite terrifying to be honest... especially considering:

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    My state police apparently has them... great...

    *sighs* Ugh... seems like the invasion of privacy continues
     
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  3. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    It seems that police and prosecutors lying in court is actually quite common.
    Just wondering:
    If you or I lie in court can we be prosecuted for perjury?
    How often have you read about police and/or prosecutors being charged with perjury?

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    That being mentioned:
    When I was at site R 35 odd years ago, the NSA came to set up a surveillance operation in search of spys and "unamerican" activity.
    They began to record telephone calls, then listen to the recordings. Soon many more of these agents arrived. They had taken over one whole wing of one floor of one of the buildings. Their wing was a hub of activity, rows and rows of recorders all clicking and whirring busily away, and the walls lined with agents hunched over desks listening intently to the ever accumulating amounts of data. More agents arrived, then more, and they could not keep up with the collected data. Finally, they just gave up, turned off the machines, and went away. After they left, their wing was almost spooky. Dimly lit row upon row of silent machines, dozens and dozens of unoccupied desks, all seeming eerily quiet. (A great place to ponder the idiocy of man and breath the air of anonymous freedom).

    Now they have a new approach and a new technology, which would seem to work best only if they had targeted individuals for surveillance.
    How many (wo)men does it take to surveil one (wo)man?
     
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  5. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    See, that's just it - they are trying to do "blanket coverage"... figuring if they capture everything that goes in/out of American airwaves, they will find the targets before they have time to act.

    The problem is, that is SO much raw data that it's humanly impossible to filter through... so they use computers and software to do so, looking for keywords and such.

    Except, the "bad guys" know this, so they simply don't use such key words... making the filters pointless...

    *shrugs*
     
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  7. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    And, then, there are those of us who would include the phrase "allahu akbar" just to tug their chains and waste their time.

    May we all live long and happily in freedom. in shā' allāh
     
  8. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Or use carrier pigeons, dead drops, messages in bottles, trips the library, cloth signs saying "X marry me" at football games, bumper stickers on neighbors cars.

    There are literally thousands of ways to convey a hidden message to someone if of course they know what they are looking for and a majority of them aren't electronically sent or seem so benign they would get overlooked. (How many times do you think international tabloids have purposely scripted articles that are conveying messages to operatives or assailants?)
     
  9. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    exactly... in the end, covert operations favor the covert, not the ones seeking them... especially in today's super-digital world. Hell, just look at how simple it is to hide a text message in a .jpg document!
     

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