Study: Gay Parents More Likely to Have Gay Kids

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  1. john smith Tongue in cheek Registered Senior Member

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    Why would you encourage him to pretend that he's not gay? Seems a touch bizzare to me! If someones gay, their gay. If someones straight, they're straight. End of.
     
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  3. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    There is tremendous antipathy toward homosexuality in many societies, especially those in which it's believed to be a matter of personal choice. A family with a gay child is shamed, and the child will suffer discrimination (and often much worse) throughout his life. The parents encourage--demand is a better word--a gay child to simply repress it, shut up, and act straight.

    There are still countries in which homosexuality is a crime and gay people are executed.
     
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  5. john smith Tongue in cheek Registered Senior Member

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    Oh im sorry, i mistook your previous post as meaning that that was what you thought it should be, hence my post....I think it is disgusting that, like you say, there are countries where homosexuality is a crime. Whatever happened to world peace??:shrug:
     
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  7. ScribJellyDonut Registered Senior Member

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    You are speaking facetiously about things that aren't in complete disagreement with a scientific consensus. Generally when speaking so sarcastically about an opposing points of view it has at least been disproved to the point of deserving such ridicule. You may like to think that your mind is far superior to any animal, but that is simply not the case. I'm no psychologist but I would refer to you - at least at a minimum to scratch the surface - Pavlov's work. The human mind can in fact be conditioned like you're saying. Conditioned is the word of choice rather than training likely because most psychologist don't want to alienate themselves by likening humans to dogs. Your latter analogies to hunger, fatigue, and pain aren't really relevant to the argument you make since these are physical conditions. Even so, they actually can be conditioned much in the same way but obviously with less success.

    It has been a long standing mystery to me why people are so opposed to change. Even in the scientific community, people look down upon dissenters. Just a brief look at scientific history however, will tell you that in many cases an individual has overthrown long standing beliefs. Isn't one of the main goals of being a scientist to minimize bias?

    I myself am not religious, but I remember when people were trying to argue intelligent design not so long ago. The way the scientific community responded you could almost see them shouting heretic rather than the other way around. I'm not saying that we should entertain any idiot who has mastered the art of speaking, but if someone has at least put in the time and effort and has compelling evidence, it's at least worth hearing what they have to say before you condemn them.

    A lot of you here seem to be on the bandwagon and haven't even considered the chance that this man could be correct in his findings. The idea that homosexuality is not a choice is actually only a politically correct late twentieth century idea, it is in no way a scientific theory or law. If scientific theories have been debunked in the past, then don't you think that maybe - just maybe - that an idea/belief is at least fair to question?
     
  8. Blindman Valued Senior Member

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    Until there is a definitive test for sexual preference these types of research tell us nothing.

    There will never be such a test. How many heteros are gay, how many gays are hetero, how many heteros and gays are bi, and how many people change their status during their lives... I don't think we will ever know.
     
  9. ScribJellyDonut Registered Senior Member

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    Until we can actually have travel long distances in space we will not know what is there. We can however, make some really good inferences based on the data and evidence. You see fortunately stating that we will never be 100% sure doesn't pass as an excuse in the scientific community for not trying to understand.

    Anyways, I didn't repost so quickly only to play the devil's advocate. I was wondering if someone had access to this article? I looked around on Google scholar, and through another journal database I have access to but could not locate it.
     
  10. Blindman Valued Senior Member

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    There is a big difference between subjective and objective data. Space is a very objective study, sexuality is inherently subjective. Do we call all people that have had sex with the same sex gay even if they had sex with the opposite sex. Why is it so polarized. What happened to bi... Who can define what gay is???
     
  11. M00se1989 Banned Banned

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    The reason we don't like gay families:

    We imagine them at a subconcsious level having sex, instead of thinking about our parents doing it. Still of corse so many tragedies could have been prevented if our forefathers we given the initial decision of which hole. And our mothers had just simply said yes. There you go now it doesn't seem as bad, as long as you followed through on the methodology. What's this you say? You didn't imagine your parents having sex? Alright imagine really fat versions of your parents doing it in the hershey highway and that sould work.

    True or untrue: It's still in your thoughts somewhere. Lets just hope the gay family can teach their kids about the birds and the bees. We can send them paphlets with this notion to their houses and say. Teach your children: being tolerant of gay marriages does not mean that society doesn't already have a dick in its ass, it just means we want our children to have choice.
     
  12. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Your confusing trainable behavior to fundamental instinctual behavior: one cannot be trained to feel pain, to desire to breath, to eat, to sleep, to fuck, etc, nor can one be trained to no longer have these desires and perceptions because they are built into us, changing them would require physically re-working the brain.

    I don't think this has any relevance to the subject, you can demonize us all you want its not going to improve your argument, please aside for brain surgery how do you think homosexuality could be "cured", and why in fact should we even waste the time to try?

    Oh I'm willing to entertain the idea, while I'm at it I can entertain the idea that the desire to sleep is a choice as well, I feel the urge to sleep, but I choose not to feel the urge... hum still feel sleepy, maybe Pavlov was wrong and we can't see inside the box simply be noting its inputs and outputs. You see a homosexual can choose not to have gay sex, he can be conditioned to fear and hate it easily, just as I can choose to stay awake, but a homosexual can't choose not to have gay desires any more then I can choose not to feel tired and sleepy.
     
  13. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Well how about you prove it to you'rself an report bak to us... that sesual preference IS a choise.!!!

    Suggested esperiment for ScribJellyDonut:::

    Over the nest week... atempt to change you'r sesual preference... if you are even partialy sucessful i will consider that good testimonial evidence that sesual preference is a choise.!!!
     
  14. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Unless he was Bi to begin with

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  15. Kbrothers Registered Senior Member

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    Is it possible though for children to learn homosexuality as a normal thing and begin to believe it is the right thing? Children that tend to get beat as children tend to grow up and beat their children for them is it a choice to hit their child or is it learned behaviour that made no other option available to the antagonist? A child may get confused and a skewed sense of reality if for example his or her gay parents treat that person good and ok while a childs friend at school or whatever may have hetero parents that treat that kid like crap is it possible for a child to begin drawing conclusions based on that? further is it not so far off to assimilate that as children develop into adults their belief systems develop too, if their belief systems define who they are then when they begin to believe one way or another they may tend to be what they start to believe and it all starts at home.
     
  16. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Thats oK... he woud jus need to lessen his desire for one gender an intensify his desire for the other gender... for esample... he woud need to start feelin mor gay than he normaly feels.!!!
     
  17. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    I was aroun gay guys at my school sinse the seventh grade an i realized it was normal for them but i knew it wasnt the rite thang for me.!!!

    If thers no other option available then it wasnt a choise.!!!

    I thank the child woud conclude that ther frind has shtty parents.!!!

    Well we dont have any kids here to ask... but when you see 2 guys holdin-hands... huggin or kissin... does that cause you feel even the slightest sesual desire for a man.???
     
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  18. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    You have to distinguish between homosexuality, which is romantic and sexual desire only for people of one's own gender, and homosexual behavior, which is actual intercourse (or other sexual activity) with people of one's own gender. The two overlap but not 100%.

    Many gay people have been browbeaten by their family and community to "act straight," often marrying a person of the opposite sex, having children, and living a life that suppresses who they are for the sake of being accepted.

    So it stands to reason that the opposite phenomenon is possible. Some heterosexual people experiment with homosexual behavior for a variety of reasons, although they usually stop as they mature. A few discover that they are actually bisexual, but then of course they don't fit in this category.

    An ugly little secret, at least in the USA, and also in the UK if vague references I have heard are true, is that anal intercourse has become a ritual in men's prisons. To a certain extent this is just the result of sexual frustration, like in strict Muslim societies where single men simply can't get laid and if they're poor they can't get married, so they patronize female-impersonator prostitutes. But it has also become a rite of passage, a submission to the dominance of the alpha males in the cellblock. You're never the guy who gets off until you've been there a while and proven your ability to survive. Sociologists report that men who have been in prison for a long time often continue this behavior after being released. It's a weird, sick type of male-bonding, and they do it even after they start dating women or even get married. (This has been suggested as one of the reasons for the high rate of HIV in the Afro-American community, since the rate of incarceration of Afro-American men is so much higher than in other ethnic groups, and since anal sex with the inevitable tearing of the tissue and opening of blood vessels is arguably the highest-risk form sexual activity.) This is a case of homosexual behavior being taught as normal, but the prison milieu is hardly a "normal" sample of life experiences, and men often come out more fucked up than they were when they went in. This is just one more way of being fucked up, literally.

    The slang term for ritual anal sex between two men who were not homosexual to start with is "on the down-low."
     
  19. Kbrothers Registered Senior Member

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    I am firm in my belief that children in homes with homosexual parents at very young ages can learn and become homosexual themselves just by that I dont believe that people are born gay I believe it is something that happens to them beginning when they are young and like the bad parents beating there kids then the kids grow up and beat their kids (although this phenomenon doesnt always happen much like my gay theory) kind of thing. I will also add that they may not learn gay behavior and assimilate that into their belief systems as being for them however I can only imagine the pressure and torment these children may face at young ages by other children in school and on the play ground people keep calling you a duck you might just quack. This is my opinion and I do not purport to have any scientific evidence on this but I will say that I knew a kid that has a gay dad and grew up in a home where it was open and normal since he was young. IDK how long his homw was like that but i knew him from about the age of 8 he is 27 now and gay ( to make it short)
     
  20. woowoo Registered Senior Member

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    Phrasing it a slightly different way, would gay parents prefer if their children
    were gay?
     
  21. SilentLi89 Registered Senior Member

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    I went to school with quite a few children who had adoptive homosexual parents. Even though I went to a Christian school, these kids did not face unimaginable torment, no more than other kids did anyway. They got picked on for stupid stuff just like everybody else. They are all young adults now some are married, some are in college, some are happy, some are not...etc. Only one is gay. They all seem pretty normal to me :shrug:

    Even if it is true that gay parents are more likely to raise gay children, is that really such a terrible thing? Will these kids never be happy because of it? It doesn't seem to be the case, research points towards children of homosexual parents are just as well adjusted in adulthood as other adopted children.
     
  22. Skeptical Registered Senior Member

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    I followed up on some of the references, and read the results a bit further.

    There are two ways the children of gays can become gay.
    1. By being the genetic offspring of a gay parent.
    2. By being adopted by a gay adoptive parent and 'learning' to grow up gay.

    The impact of factor 1 above outweighs factor 2 by a massive margin.
    The 'learned' gays tend to be female. Male gays are rarely adoptive children of other male gays. Much more often, they are genetic children. However, the number of adoptive children of lesbians who become lesbian is much higher. This suggests that female sexuality has a bigger learned component than male sexuality. Us males are just animals who do what our instincts tell us to do.

    So, guys, feel reassured. The evidence for males 'learning' to be gay is still very, very weak.
     
  23. ScribJellyDonut Registered Senior Member

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    I'll be frank. This is my seventh post and I'm fairly new to these forums, but already I can see that I won't care what you think or consider. I would prefer you stick to topic, or just not say anything at all.
     

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