Suicide Bomb Attack at Manchester Concert

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Yazata, May 23, 2017.

  1. exchemist Valued Senior Member

    Fair enough. We'll stop here then. And I will very much look forward to your next contribution on physics.

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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Muslims kill Christians, Christians kill Muslims, they both blame the Jews. It's a strategy they've honed over millennia.
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  7. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

    While the US and other (local) coalition members' current involvement is hardly of "pure intent" (i.e., arguably not devoid of current self-serving motives and culpability with respect to their past actions in the Middle East)... Nevertheless one might try to abstract something for the personal and everyday level from the persistent collateral damage situation which the coalition faced. Or, to add a specific sub-member to the classic, cynical grudger's general sentiment that "no good deed goes unpunished":

    "Be careful about readily volunteering to be either deliverer or helper in a messy scenario during an era of extreme sensitivities, unbridled litigation, micro-management accountability and an overall "daycare for adults slash I am brother's keeper" mentality. The succorer(s) could be exemplified at the end as more the menace or villain than either the natural forces or the reprehensible human malefactors responsible for originally setting up the needy or barbaric situation. And it does sting all the worse afterwards and you feel all the more the fool should it indeed have been an act of volunteering, which thereby could have been uncharitably avoided." --Kelly Pennypincher

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    • Iraqi, Kurdish and allied forces have advanced on their push to retake Mosul, IS's de facto capital in Iraq. As many as 1.5 million people are believed to remain there. There are fears IS could use them to defend itself as the operation gets closer to the centre of the city. [...] Men, women and children from 6,000 families were abducted in areas including Shura, she added.

      "Isil's depraved cowardly strategy is to attempt to use the presence of civilian hostages to render certain points, areas or military forces immune from military operations, effectively using tens of thousands of women, men and children as human shields," Ms Shamdasani added, using an acronym for IS. She said the allegations had been corroborated by the UN but added that the true number might be greater.

      The coalition’s overall count is far less than estimates by some human rights groups. Airwars, a nongovernment organization that monitors reports of civilian casualties in international airstrikes, has asserted that at least 2,831 civilians are likely to have been killed as of March 28 by the coalition’s air attacks since August 2014. [...] In western Mosul, hundreds of thousands of civilians are trapped, and airstrikes are an essential part of the operation.

      The Iraqi military has suffered enormous casualties — 284 Iraqi troops were killed in the first 37 days of the offensive to take western Mosul — and it depends on American firepower to advance. American military officials also allege that Islamic State fighters have herded Iraqi residents into buildings, calculating that escalating civilian casualties would prompt American commanders to slow the pace of airstrikes.

      But critics say that the firepower that is being applied is so extensive that civilians are being put in danger. During a recent week in Mosul, the United States-led coalition carried out attacks with 700 bombs and rockets and 400 more strikes with satellite-guided Himars missiles, according to military officials. With the United States unwilling to play a major ground combat role in Iraq and Syria, air power has become increasingly important.

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