Support for belief in Noah's flood, not evidence.

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Dinosaur, Sep 4, 2017.

  1. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    It is known that the Black & Mediterranean Seas completely evaporated long before the appearance of Homo Sapiens. Both seas lose water by evaporation faster than water replenishment from by rain fall & input from rivers.

    To maintain current sea levels, the Black Sea requires input from the Mediterranean & the Mediterranean requires input from the Atlantic Ocean.

    However, knowledgeable historians & geologists are aware that the Black Sea partially evaporated after Homo Sapiens built primitive villages below the current sea level. The remains of such villages have been discovered (not sure when) circa 200 feet below the current level of the Black Sea.

    The straights between the Mediterranean & the Black sea closed long enough to result in the evaporation.

    Water is persistent ​
    The Noah flood story is likely due to the above historic events.
     
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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    The above historic events results in a drop in sea level (over what must be multiple generations); they do not - in and of themselves - explain a catastrophic flood.
     
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  5. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    True. However I have read a theory that after the ice age, the water rose - I forget which side - of the Bosphorus and eventually overtopped the barrier, leading to the sea flooding progressively through it. That could lead to flood myths, I imagine.
     
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  7. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Or all the other floods everywhere.
     
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  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes. Which makes me wonder why Dinosaur neglected the part that actually referred to the flood. I guess this is just another piece.
     
  9. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    It seems to me that the flood story is just another myth, and probably based on the real destructive power of floods. It has no more basis in fact than the tower of babble myth to explain why there are different languages, or the garden of Eden myth to explain why life is so tough.
     
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  10. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    I'm more inclined to interpret the Noah's flood story as mythological than historical.

    I doubt that it is an echo of historical events that may or may not have taken place at the end of the last ice age, perhaps 10,000 years earlier, when sea levels rose dramatically and the Pillars of Hercules might have became the greatest of all waterfalls, flooding the Mediterranean basin..

    I'm more inclined to interpret it as a late Hebrew version of a much older Mesopotamian proto-philosophical myth. Myth can perhaps be described as the expression of what we today might think of as philosophical ideas in the form of stories instead of theories.

    In many ancient myths, water represents chaos. That's largely because it is formless and takes the form of whatever container it is placed in. So we see myths imagining that the primordial state of being was water, and that creation was the imposition of form onto the formlessness. (An early version of the matter/form ontology that we later see with the Greeks and even into the present.) Water was what the Greeks called the 'arche' (primordial stuff), pure potentiality in Aristotle's thinking, while form was the spiritual element, the rational 'logos' imposed on it to make it actually be something.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arche

    We still see hints of this kind of by-then long traditional mythological cosmology in Genesis 1:2, which reads: "Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters."

    In ancient Mesopotamia most buildings were made out of mud brick. The biggest danger that they knew was flooding, when the Tigris and Euphrates rose out of their banks and threatened to destroy all of humanity's works, returning everything to the chaos from which it had originally emerged

    I think that's the context of the Noah's flood story. It's an attempt to employ the then-ancient and long-traditional imagery to depict God tiring of his creation and returning it to the chaos to which he had originally given form with his Word.
     
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  11. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    I've seen three or four local floods myself - water as far as the eye can see, even if it's only a few inches deep. It isn't much of a stretch to imagine the whole world flooded. I don't know why people look farther than that for causes of the Flood myth.
     

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