Symposium: The Left's Attack on Bush

Discussion in 'Politics' started by NetSpider, Apr 11, 2004.

  1. otheadp Banned Banned

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    the irony is that i was talking about you, amigo
     
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  3. NetSpider Registered Member

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    All those hypocoristics it's bizarre how they judge things ... while everything is in front of their eyes,they want to prove somthing else ...

    what was in spain , eventually ended successful for the muslims puppets .
    and the puppets will try every dirty method to achieve what they need .
    Divide and Rule , kidnaping ... and many more other methods .
    until they succeed , they don't care how much people is going to die .
    not from their side , and from the other .
    when the main mission is to destroy USA , in any cost .

    and forget about spain , don't try to prove something ...
    because the puppets succeeded with spain.

    now it's time to pressure the rest of europe , actually they can still bomb spain , and have good impact on the rest of europe throughout spain .
     
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  5. Don Hakman Registered Senior Member

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    "Simply Appaling, the left should be restrained like the right was during the Clinton administration".

    I AGREE WHOLE HEARTEDLY !



    Impeach Bush (not for sex) but for premeditated murder of our troops under false pretenses.
     
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  7. Spyke Registered Senior Member

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    It's called the Opposition, and it's existed since the Constitution was being framed. There have always been divisions in the country, always been 'special interests' and that's why political parties developed in the first place, to represent those special interests. We fought a civil war and survived it, so I suspect we will survive differences of opinion. Of course, the alternative is we can all be in lockstep, but that sounds much less appealing to me at least.
     
  8. NetSpider Registered Member

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    Spyke , its all true , but not when it comes as a pressure from out of USA ...
    making from USA bana republic with the method of "Divide and Rule" .

    People today judge by emotion rather than reason , and today with the world fast media , they can divide any nation , anywhere ...

    all peaceful people think that they right , when they are just useful fools .
     
  9. Undecided Banned Banned

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    NetSpider

    Just tell me, are you a fascist? Because obviously the rules of democracy do not fancy you. You are surely sounding like a right wing megalomaniac fascist. So I am just wondering, do you endorse Fascism as a way to combat terrorism? You know no opposition, and no division of the population? In return we get repression, corruption, most likely racism, and prejudicial laws, and eventually letting the terrorists win by totally reshaping our society as a reaction to terrorism? If you endorse terrorisms ultimate victory through fascism do tell... if not then you don't have a leg to stand on. And stop the snipping at the system that allows you to even talk on a forum like this. Democracy is the only system that works, and if you don’t like the way it works. Then get fascist.
     
  10. NetSpider Registered Member

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    I'm not right or left winged , and far from a fascist .
    i'm just someone that tired from this whole scam .

    and democracy of "western civilization" , got this Exploit that they know about that can be used with the policy of Divide and Rule . Read More
    i don't hate democracy , but it's got to be protected !
     
  11. Undecided Banned Banned

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    Protected from what? From itself? If the ppl of Spain voted X way, they have a right to vote that way. The race was at a statistical dead heat anyways; who knows the Anzar gov't could have lost. It's one of those questions that will never be answered. But democracy worked in Spain. The ppl voted out a gov't that didn't listen to them, do you endorse keeping in a gov't that spits in the face of the social contract and democracy itself? The democratic system worked as it was supposed to work. When 90%+ of Spain opposed the war in Iraq, and the gov’t went in anyways it is a shame democracy. The gov't more then deserved to be ousted out of power. Again if you don't like this, then fascism is the way to go.
     
  12. NetSpider Registered Member

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    what you trying to prove ?
    that actually they will succeed .
    because today people judge by emotion rather than logic .
    and puppets know that this emotion can be used , they will terrorise , spread fear .
    and people will elect the wrong choice .
    while they think that's the right thing to do .
     
  13. Undecided Banned Banned

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    what you trying to prove ?

    No I think the question lies in your corner? What are you trying to prove? That Democracy is a failure?

    because today people judge by emotion rather than logic .


    They always have, you don't think that a dictatorship feeds off emotions of the population? Fear, and anxiety have ruled politics from the very begining. It always has been emotion; logic plays VERY little in the affairs of state. Why did the US go to war? Emotional hatred, and fear of non-existant weapons. Logic, ha!

    and puppets know that this emotion can be used , they will terrorise , spread fear .


    The West isn't doing this either? The vote in Spain was a dead heat, so you can prove either or.

    and people will elect the wrong choice .


    So what is the right choice? You know better then the Spanish electorate? This is why I think you are a closet fascist, "those ppl don't know what's best for them" right? I suggest you think before you say things.

    while they think that's the right thing to do .

    They voted against a gov't who lied to them, and went to war against their will. That seems like a logical vote to me. By the looks of it the US will follow suit.
     
  14. NetSpider Registered Member

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    Undecided - You are the walking prove ...
    The KGB's system is working fine .

    When people get killed by "Terrorists" , we argue about right and wrong .
     
  15. crazy151drinker Registered Senior Member

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    For all my leftist freedom fighters, lets not forget that our beatifull country was founded because we didnt want to pay taxes

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  16. Undecided Banned Banned

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    Can you just answer this question? What form of gov't would you prefer? Democracy is incompatible with what you want. If you get angry at ppl, and call them stupid, etc. b/c they didn’t conform to your conformist ethos. They shouldn't have the power now should they? So what is the alternative sir?
     
  17. NetSpider Registered Member

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    its not about Democracy Undecided , its about the people , And The people of the nation should unite .
    its the only way .

    From the "Divide and Rule" And the Antidote article
     
  18. Undecided Banned Banned

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    The ppl of Spain united against a gov't that did not listen to her. If that is not democracy in action, what is? If you don't like that, then you cannot have a democracy, democracy in its innate nature needs division. If you want "unity" then democracy is not the exactly the system you want, in a western society fascism is the other alternative. In Argentina, and Uruguay both are modern democratic societies but in the 60’s and 70’s with terrorism within their borders, they created “unity” and defeated terrorism, with Fascism. But an absolutely horrible human cost and one that no western democracy would want to repeat. The scars of that era still linger in that region, and if it happens here again it will be no different. All the Socialists in Spain are going to do is pull out of Iraq which caused more terrorism then it solved. It’s a logical and prudent measure, against an emotional and ideological invasion. Again what is the alternative? You are angry at the Spanish ppl, yet support the instrument that you are angry against?
     
  19. SpyMoose Secret double agent deer Registered Senior Member

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    You seem to be a bit of a simpleton. Undecided has been trying to ask it in post after post, but I'll try to put it in rhetoric form so it has a chance of sticking.

    If the people are not divided, why do they need a democracy?

    Is that good enough for you? If we are all "United" why not have the fascism that you seem to be advocating? Democracy does not work without division, democracy was created to arbitrate division and keep a system cohesive. Why vote when there is only one option on the ballot?
     
  20. NetSpider Registered Member

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    First i didn't said i'm angry at them .

    "yet support the instrument that you are angry against? "

    Its a different case here ... read answer from the article to get the point .

    I can understand a shocked public acting on emotion rather than reason. But to channel that grief so immediately toward a political end, and have the Socialists almost immediately employ invective against the United States, promising to take the troops out by June and rethink relations with the United States. It is an al Qaeda fantasy come true.
     
  21. SpyMoose Secret double agent deer Registered Senior Member

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    Spain had a government that snubbed its people when it got involved in Americas questionable crusade against Iraq. With just that alone apparently the socialist party was in a dead heat with the incumbents. After the train bombings this same hawkish government immediately chose a target to blame and advocated action against them. Well guess what, it turned out it wasn’t the Basqs after all. The incumbent government participated in a war to destroy WMDs that didn't exist, and it pissed the people off, then they wanted to blame the Basqs for the bombings that they did not commit. I think the people saw the true danger of what a hawkish conservative government is capable of. The idea that this is a cut and dried case of "they let the terrorists win" is just so much more rhetoric for the uncritical.
     
  22. Undecided Banned Banned

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    It is an al Qaeda fantasy come true.

    Actually the invasion of Iraq proper was Al Q's biggest wet dream ever. It only proves their point that the US is aggressive and against the Islamic ppl (rightly or wrongly). Al Q got a new big base, smack in the middle of the M.E. The ppl of Spain voted out of emotion, and logic. Emotionally because of the bombings yes, but logically because the fmr. Gov’t didn't give a shit about what he ppl thought. You do have a problem with democracy, and you just don't want to admit it. Democracy is based on political discourse, and emotions. Let's be real here, let's not pretend that the voting population thinks logically. Politicians themselves don't, so if you have a problem with the masses "emotional state" take that power away from them, or stop the snipping and live with it. Your stance isn't making much sense; you can't have your cake and eat it too. Again what do you want instead? It obviously cannot be democracy.
     
  23. NetSpider Registered Member

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    Undecided , i know that this thread is going to be a LOOP ...
    tell you the truth , i'm tired from all those LOOP threads all ready...
    its all point less .
    what's going to happen is inevitable .

    so Just sit back relax and "enjoy" the show ...
     

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