Syria: The "Rebels" Are Terrorists

Discussion in 'Politics' started by RedStar, Jul 25, 2012.

  1. RedStar The Comrade! Registered Senior Member

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    Quote an example of me doing this and I'll officially apologize.

    Yes, they are disenfranchizing the Sunnis. I'm glad. They tend to support Islamic extremists. Minority protection > majority rule.

    And of course, you and the USA get to define which is which and what is what.

    That's probably true. I'd be hard pressed to find a country where this didn't apply to the government, though.
     
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  3. RedStar The Comrade! Registered Senior Member

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    Now all we need is an official invasion by the Peoples' Liberation Army :thumbsup:
     
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  5. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    We need a nice "WMD in Iraq" like make-up douchebag excuse to get rid of these "Syrian Friends".
     
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  7. RedStar The Comrade! Registered Senior Member

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    No. Imperialism is not a good thing.
     
  8. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Where do you live, RedStar. China? Russia?

    Do you think you'll be moving to Syria sometime soon then?

    Surely you can't be living in a democracy, seeing as you hate democracy so.
     
  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Not gonna happen, sorry, the Chinese are not stupid, lol
     
  10. RedStar The Comrade! Registered Senior Member

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    I love democracy. Real democracy can't exist unless you have a classless society, though.

    I'm not saying I hate democracy, I said I hate BOURGEOIS democracy. Pay attention. Democracy in America is a fucking joke.

    A guy can wish.
     
  11. Bells Staff Member

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    The fighting is taking place in the larger towns and commercial centers. The massacres perpetrated by his forces are being committed in the smaller villages and centers, farming communities..
     
  12. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    And you know this, how?
     
  13. RedStar The Comrade! Registered Senior Member

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    Bells, the rebels have been murdering people. Lots of people. Want some articles?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn6Snf__nxY

    Syrian Christians support Assad, apparently. I wonder why? Maybe it's because they are afraid of an Islamic extremist government?

    Bells, your crusade is cute, considering how one-sided and moralistic your arguments are. Even though you've been shown REPEATEDLY that al qaida and foreign forces are DIRECTLY involved with this "rebellion".
     
  14. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Al Qaida is a meaningless term anyone can call themselves al Qaida. The "rebels" are Muslim Brotherhood militia and their sympathisers and the funding is from Saudi Arabia and Qatar

    "Muslim Brotherhood establishes militia inside Syria
    The Muslim Brotherhood has established its own militia inside Syria as the country's rebels fracture between radical Islamists and their rivals, commanders and gun-runners have told The Daily Telegraph. "
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...herhood-establishes-militia-inside-Syria.html


    Its amazing how people cannot see the difference between a revolution, which is what happened in Tunisia and Egypt and a coup, which is what happened in Libya and is going on in Syria
     
  15. RedStar The Comrade! Registered Senior Member

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    Another point Bells forgets to address: why the hell is Saudi Arabia, a state wholly more despotic than Syria, condemning Syria? And more importantly, why is the United States, the "champion of freedom", allying itself with Saudi Arabia?

    Your hypocrisy is showing.
     
  16. Bells Staff Member

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    This how:

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    RedStar, I will warn you just this one time. Please stop acting in such a condescending and sexist manner by repeatedly commenting on the 'cuteness' of my supposed crusade. I attempted to drop you a subtle hint about your "cute" argument above and since you seem incapable of recognising the sarcasm of your condescending manner towards me (and others), I thought it best to simply warn you outright.

    Do I make myself clear?

    Yes they have.

    Does not make what Assad is doing any better.

    You consistently keep saying 'but they do it to' as a form of argument. It doesn't work that way. If you are going to compare, then start with Assad's forces opening fire on peaceful protesters which started this conflict and which resulted in people defecting from Syria's armed forces because they refused to shoot and fire on unarmed citizens who are doing nothing more than protesting against the bourgeoisie leadership.

    No one yet knows that it would be an Islamic extremist government who would take over.

    How about a free election and a cessation to the attacks and massacres and allowing neutral observers in and peacekeepers to ensure the civilian population is protected? How about allowing the Red Cross access to all the injured instead of preventing them from entering as they continued to massacre people and then shooting at red cross ambulances who were trying to extract injured civilians? How about less raping of small boys by Assad's forces and less massacres of women and children cowering in their homes? I know, it's a foreign concept to you that people should have the right to live, but it is a human right.

    How about we start from there and see how we go?

    But your fake "I'm a communist" stance on this site is noted, as is your hypocrisy.
     
  17. RedStar The Comrade! Registered Senior Member

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    Nope. When you have British special forces training rebels, CIA involved, and Al Qaida on the ground, I'm not buying your bullshit about "it's just about democracy".

    Here's an idea. When the USA officially condemns the Saudi government, I'll give a rats ass about their condemnation of Syria. Until then, Assad needs to keep the country together. The "rebels" are responsible for this mess.

    And you are the one with the condescending attitude. It boils down to "I'm a Westerner from a superior Western country that is civilized and I have a right to determine good and evil in a conflict in Syria". Well, you don't. Stop acting so high and mighty.
     
  18. RedStar The Comrade! Registered Senior Member

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    Why would I, as a communist, side with either group, anyways? I'm on the side of the proletariat. Last time I checked, the rebels did not represent the proletariat, or even pretend to.

    Edit: Just noticed your post about human rights. Again, when the USA comes out and quits being a hypocrite, I'll take them seriously. Until then, they have NO RIGHT to talk about human rights. What about the human rights of the people murdered by the "Free Syrian Army" and the US imperialists?
     
  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Well I don't buy it. Preliminary evidence seems to have a way of becoming some other news in Syria.

    "The world is now dimly aware of a whole other set of alleged witnesses with an opposite story. These have said rebel-affiliated terrorists, including known local families and unknown foreign helpers, carried out an attack on loyalist families remaining in this rebel-dominated area. Western powers would never help against that, and these witnesses they don’t bother to ask, which is wise since so few have bothered listening. Their small ranks contain no miracle escapees at all, which inherently makes them more realistic, but these others are ignored while Ali above all is adored."
    http://www.syrianews.cc/houla-massacre-star-witness-reconsidered/

    see also
    http://acloserlookonsyria.wikinet.org/wiki/Main_Page

    So still waiting to get some clear news. Meanwhile Washington has cleared the way for Americans to fund the Syrian rebels

    "Now you legally can buy weapons for Syrian rebels, according to the Obama administration. Sacramento and national media are now telling U.S. residents that they can legally arm Syrian rebels by sending money to the Syrian Support Group based in Washington, DC at 1000 Connecticut Avenue NW, suite 900, Washington DC 20036 and run by an American. There's a link on the group's website you may click if you wish to donate money.

    The group supports the Free Syrian Army (FSA). The Free Syrian Army is an armed opposition group operating in Syria that has been active during the Syrian civil war. See, Free Syrian Army Update English 2012 | Facebook. Also Kofi Annan just quit his role as the U.N. Envoy to Syria. See the current news article, "Kofi Annan Quits Role as United Nation's Syria Envoy.""
    http://www.examiner.com/article/u-s-residents-now-can-legallly-arm-sryian-rebels
     
  20. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    You have made no mention of the massacre at Hama. That puts you in league with the devil.


    No, everybody knows this: that Assad sponsors global terrorism and massacres Syrians. Beyond this, there is no direct responsibility for anything so heinous, whether it's FSA or outsiders. There will be a reaction to oppression wherever it occurs, and wherever people have the heart to stand up to it.

    Bush is irrelevant. The category here is "presidents who shelled their own people." Before you dare to advocate the murder of your fellow citizens by their dictator, you should be examined by a clinical psychologist and tested for psychopathy. So far you are exhibiting the classic symptoms: denial, blame shifting and minimization of harm to victims.
     
  21. RedStar The Comrade! Registered Senior Member

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    Like I said, it's a war where neither side is "good" or "evil". Only idealistic Westerners see politics that way.

    I'm very quick to criticize Assad, but unlike Bells, I do it from the principled position that the UN (led by the United States) has no right to criticize him considering what the US does and with whom it is allied. I'm sick of her moralism and idealism. This isn't about "human rights" or "democracy". It's about political interest for different parties involved. I'm sick and tired of the handful of Western colonial states that feel the need to get their noses involved in everything going on in the world and write history according to their narrow, bullshit world view.

    Edit: Aequious ID, your arguments are precisely what I am talking about. They boil down to "I'm more civilized and therefore in a position to judge others". Again, you're not, you're not Syrian, you have no idea and no right to make judgements. Quit being a hypocrite and turn your criticism towards Saudi Arabia. Also, FYI, the USA sponsors global terrorism and has massacred people. Again, why the fuck do you Americans never look at yourselves before acting high and mighty? The world hates your arrogance.
     
  22. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    Advocating murder is sick. See a shrink and get it fixed.
     
  23. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    All I see is that we are steadily seeing a replacement of secular polities with religious political groups. So the aim appears to be to protect leaders like Saud and the Emiratis, while replacing the Gaddhafis and Assads. What would be achieved by supporting Islamists and Islamist regimes in the ME? If the aim is long term instability it is incredibly shortsighted - the secularists will migrate and the countries all unite under the Islamist banner. So its something else. Saudi Arabia and Turkey are both joined at the hip when it comes to Kurds [note that both are also currently run by Islamist regimes] With Egypt given over to the brotherhood and Syria falling into their hands as well, it would seem that the desired outcome is a pro-Islamist regime in all the major countries in the ME Not sure what that is supposed to achieve
     

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