Tales of Bullshit Part 1

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ElectricFetus, Feb 20, 2017.

  1. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Today's news media is in a horrible state of affairs, ruled by clickbait marketing and hugbox audiences. This weekend, Fox news huffer and president of the USA, made vague claims about something that happened to Sweden, terrorist attack in Sweden? No he was talking about a fox news special about the raise of crime by Muslim immigrants in Sweden. The left-wings medias reply to this right-wing medias trash, was equally trashy.

    Rignt-Wing Tripe: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...t-sweden-experiencing-migrant-crime-wave.html

    Left-Wing Counter Tripe: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/...g-Immigrant-Crime-in-Sweden-claim-is-FakeNews

    More balanced Left Wing reason: http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/we-should-practice-truth-statistics-even-when-it-hurts

    And then there is youtube:



    The issue of immigration is a complex one and not even relevant for the USA (comparing Sweden to the USA is a joke) whose Muslim population is less than 1%, Mexican have been leaving at an equal or greater than the same rate they have been coming in for years now, and despite fas/eer I mean "nationalist" like trump scapegoating immigration as causing the economic woes of the middle and lower classes, the real problems are the rich, outsourcing and automation. The left needs to relentless hammer that over and over again instead of getting caught in making counter tripe replies.
     
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    No, it wasn't. Not even close.

    Even the supposed "counter tripe" did not contain outright lies and lurid fantasies - at worst, it unduly played down the context of Trump's total bs and Fox sensationalism.

    And that's if you count dailykos as "left wing" - its history is more of a Democratic Party establishment, Clinton supporting operation, with the occasional left-leaning pov showing up amid the center and rightwing stuff.

    The lefty media cited - Mother Jones - was the fact based and sober accounting of events. And that is where Mother Jones got its reputation as radical lefty. "Extreme Left Bias", in Media FactCheck terms:
     
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  5. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    How DARE the left wing report fact! Don't they know that in this age, reporting on fact is simply not done? Media outlets have to present two diametrically opposed options and then express no opinion, do no research and imply that both choices are equal. ("We report, you decide" is the only ethical thing to do.) I mean, maybe there was a terror attack in Sweden the day before his speech and maybe there wasn't. How dare someone suggest that you can factually answer that question! What if someone's feelings are hurt?
     
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  7. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Except it is not facts, as the very next article shows. Sweden has been seeing sex crimes increase thanks to Muslim immigrants.
     
  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    You are wasting your talents here. Trump needs you in his administration.
     
  9. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    The next article being the Mother Jones one, right? Which says:
    For fuck's sake.
     
  10. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    That is the motherjones quoting someone, which it then goes into disassembling in the next paragraph. Or you can click on the video up top to actually hear what is going on in sweden from a swed.

    Oh boy so this one fact tangentially related to trump, makes me a trump administration candidate? If trump said 2+2=4, agree with him would be what, a pack with satan? Instead of talking about our superior economic policies to his, we are lying and disregarding facts and name calling simply to attack Trump. Oh that a great strategy totally won us the election in the first place. This is a man who won the presidency after saying "I grab 'em by the pussy, I don't even ask" do you think calling him names and attack every bullshit statement he makes, with lies no less, is going to do anything? Has it ever occurred to you that maybe Trump wants people screaming at him, that that way no one is actually strategizing how to defeat him and just making fools of themselves?
     
  11. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    Sure, but what the author offers is hardly more definitive:
    A lot of "maybes" and "suggests."

    I don't really see the author flat out disputing any of Beauchamp's remarks--save for the "rigorous" bit and how one defines "big," i suppose, which is subjective; rather, he just offers a measured response and provides stats for the reader to draw their own conclusions.

    IOW the author is not at all on board with that "thanks to Muslim immigrants."
     
  12. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Oh boy what a counter! He is not all on board with what I said, OK so?
     
  13. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    Well, I assumed that when you described the Mother Jones article as "more balanced," you weren't being sarcastic. Drum does not conclude that the reported increase in sex crimes is a consequence of Muslim immigration. If anything, he is uncertain as to what conclusions to draw.
     
  14. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Sure.

    Anyways another video for you:

     
  15. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Media note: The Gatestone Institute is a right wing organization who's current chairman is John R. Bolton.
     
  16. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Meanwhile, Yesterday in Swedenstan.....more cities burn.

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    But, oh didn't that Virtue Signalling feel sooo sooo sooo good. Good while it lasted. I wonder if Pathological Empathy is sort of like OCD or other such mental disorders? Maybe these politicians can't help themselves but repeat the adherent behavior again and again and again.

    Then there's also the people who are MASSIVELY profiting off this mess. For example, hotel owners were offered THREE times the value of their hotels if they took in refugees. Many quietly sold their hotels off to Russians and middle eastern 'investors' who were more than happy to take the massive payout from the Swedish Government. Of course, how did the Government pay for it all? Yes, that's right, they sold debt on the next generation (or three) of Swedes through T-Bond sales. Banksters are making out very well on this. Very well. Many are slumlords to boot.

    Insane.

    The Progressive "Democratic" Socialist government of Sweden offered Hotel Owners 300% the value of their hotel rates to house economic migrants. This then meant ALL of the other hotels would have to do likewise or go bust - why? Because no one wants to Holiday in a town filled with Islamic 'cultural enrichment'. If they wanted that, they'd visit Egypt. They want to Holiday in Sweden for the Swedish culture. Anyway, of course all the souvenir shops go belly up as well as they have no tourists.

    Now, who wins? Let's see, the family who sells their Hotel wins. They get millions. The Russian investor or Arab investor, they get millions (it's not like they live in these little towns or give two shits). The politicians get paid their fat 6 - and they don't live there. The migrants win. Free money. Everyone wins, except the Swedes who live in these small towns and are trying to eek out a living. They, and their children, will lose. They get shit on.

    There's no turning the train around in the middle of the tunnel either.
    It's over Sweden.
    You are done for.
    New Sweden exists now. And your role is to serve as an example to others.

    From the linked article:

    The problems Sweden faces integrating large numbers of Muslim immigrants is a subject on which Nordstjernan columnist Ulf Nilson has written many times. His warnings of increasing radicalization among Sweden’s Muslims – warnings he started to broadcast a decade ago – now seem eerily prophetic in light of an Associated Press investigation that found Stockholm to be a breeding ground for jihadists among Swedish Somalis.

    According to the AP report, which first ran Jan. 24, an al-Qaida-linked group is busy recruiting anti-government fighters among Somali youths living in Rinkeby. A suburb of Stockholm, Rinkeby has earned the nickname of “Little Mogadishu” because of the number of Somalis living there. Rinkeby is also the center of the recruiting efforts of al-Shabab, a group with ties to al-Qaida.

    Rinkeby is a known problem area in Stockholm. It was here NRK journalist Anders Magnus was attacked with stones last spring, and here the police never go in the evenings without reinforcements from other patrols according to Dabladet. A freelancer the newspaper spoke to, described the situation as serious.​


    Want to know what the average IQ of someone from Somalia is? It's about 68. How would you like it if you were born into a society where your IQ is nearing HALF that of the indigenous population? Do you you think you'll enjoy your job as janitor? Do you think you'll enjoy watching as your children fall behind in school? Drop out? Just what do you think those drop outs do? I'll tell you want they do. They go hangout with some people who are going to tell them all about how Swedes use their "White Privilege" to hold them back, and hold them down. They'll learn all about the One God, and all about how they're God's little special someone. And the 72 hot virgin girls they'll be blessed with... one they do what they have to do.

    Economic migrants that come in as refugees are not in the same category as a Somali who was awarded a scholarship or earned good marks and was given the opportunity to work in the EU as a professional. Two totally different people.

    Anyway, Swedes, you voted for this - that's the magic of "Democratic" socialism. So, you only have yourselves to blame.

    I'd also say: Welcome to America.
     
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  17. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Or you can click on a Breitbart link about Acorn, one of kangaroo boy's videos, or the like, to actually hear what is going on in America from an American.

    If you're, like, extraordinarily gullible, and you get your worldview from videos you find on the internet, that works well - you will soon have an opinion, and it will never change.

    Sweden has an immigrant acculturation problem, for one reason because the refugees they took in are a seriously screwed up bunch of people from a genuine war zone. So? It's pretty minor, compared with the citizen governance problem the US faces in - say - Flint, Michigan.

    Allowing a few thousand war-zone Muslims into Sweden didn't do half as much damage as allowing Republicans into the governance of Michigan.
     
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  18. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The average IQ of a Somali refugee child in a Minnesota school is not 68. It is higher, and especially higher if diagnosed autism is excluded from the average (Somalis have a higher rate of autism than the resident population). Meanwhile, Somalis start and run their own businesses at a higher rate than the indigenous population.

    Why is that, do you suppose?
     
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  19. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Hey by all means you name me the accurate and trust worthy source of news you use. I rather get news on a country from members of that country who make long winded videos that I can listen to, and be entertained.

    oh yeah! you read what I said on the first post! Yes more about Flint and less of what ever the fuck is happening in sweden!

    Agree!

    Is this a question directed at me, seems kind of out of the blue. I have no problem with Somalis refugees in Minnesota ... back to talking about immigrants when it is a subterfuge created by trump.
     

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