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Discussion in 'Linguistics' started by Sarkus, May 1, 2022.

  1. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    And yet, the "World Wide Web" (three syllables) has the contraction WWW (nine syllables) - so....
     
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  3. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Poor ol' woke was tortured in meaning such

    Let it go back to meaning no longer asleep

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  5. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Poor comparison
    Contraction? Think not
    WWW more a acronym

    Problem, getting back to gynaecology, it is not a name of the part, and the breath of its meaning encompasses more than just the diseases which affect said part

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  7. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i see that "woke" has now been hijacked by the alt right conspiracy types to mean aware of the conspiracy's
    lol
     
  8. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Hey Jack Lenny woke up

    So he knows about the conspiracies?

    No he now knows women want to be treated equal to men

    Oh. Is that a thing?

    Woke up Jack

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  9. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    See, it's not impossible that we might occasionally fail to disagree.
     
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  10. foghorn Valued Senior Member

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    In one way perhaps. But, what about young people seeing these words for the first time and then spreading them so they become the norm, true history forgotten or conveniently 'never was' ??
    I like the way you consigned ''dumbing down'' to conplex scientific matters. If the word 'seems' to fit elsewhere, use it. If it gets others ruffled so be it.

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  11. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Anything on the internet will likely have a few to numerous copies around

    Something at the edge of memory may be passed down

    After a number of passings it maybe at a stage where a further passing could be it's last

    Salvation may arrive, in what would be in the future the equivalent of the newspaper under the carpet

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    How much old, over 200 years old, history could survive on these?

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  12. foghorn Valued Senior Member

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    The old written in silicon stone metalloid.
     
  13. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    I think emphasizing temporary-ness makes it worse, not better. It's like saying, "It's temporary. Get over it."

    And they also refer to "people experiencing disabilities" - so I doubt that they've thought it through.
     
  14. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    According to Wikipedia, "By 2021, woke had become used almost exclusively as a pejorative...." - i.e. people showing off their superior wokeness.
     
  15. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Twationary?
     
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  16. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    The point is that they are "People. With. A condition."; not "A condition".
     
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  17. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    OKKKay

    I like Twationary ✅

    Merriam-Webster's Twationary. Ummmmm has a nice ring to it

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    booktopia

    Make that "Shakespeare's Twationary"

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  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    It has. But that doesn't mean the dig is retroactive.

    You didn't quote the other part: "Beginning in the 2010s, it came to encompass a broader awareness of social inequalities such as sexism..."


    i.e. Just because a bunch of people have decided that the term "woke" means "ego complex" to them, does not mean that people who are alert to social and racial injustice have an "ego complex".

    The perjorative is essentially a strawman (or poisoning the well, if you prefer).
     
  19. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    My point is that emphasizing a "temporary condition" doesn't help the homeless at all. It sounds (to them) like an excuse for doing nothing about it.
     
  20. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    I could (can) go with occasional disagree

    To many would become bland, boring

    Keep occasional

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  21. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    I quoted the part about the most recent usage. If Chaucer used it differently, that isn't really relevant.
    And yet it is the "almost exclusive" usage.
     
  22. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I agree - inasmuch as I think Sarkus' "temporary condition" theory is wrong.

    My assertion - that they are people first and homeless second - is the correct reason. I'm pretty sure that will be borne out if we could find a source.
     
  23. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    "Beginning in the 2010s" is pretty relevant.


    But let's recap where this started:

    In post 16, Michael says he wishes the "woke" people would "go back to sleep".

    Who exactly is he wishing that on?* The people who apparently have an ego complex? Or the people who are alert to social and racial injustice?
    *(we don't need to ask Michael specifically. This is an "all of us" issue.)

    So it raises some questions:
    Is the perjorative use real? Does it apply to real people? Are there people who identify as having superior egos?

    Or is it a label, made by third parties, and slyly referring to that shadowy, hypothetical "they"? Is it nothing more than a way to invalidate being alert to social and racial injustice? Is it a way to dilute the real world problems of injustice by drowning it in the semantic discussion of weasel-words?
     

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