Tavistock Gender Clinic

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  1. Sweet Moonshine Registered Member

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    Increasingly, gender therapists and physicians argue that children as young as nine should be given puberty-blocking drugs if they experience gender dysphoria.

    But a new article by three medical experts reveals that there is little scientific evidence to support such a radical procedure.

    Meanwhile, despite claims by advocates, there is no evidence that puberty blocking is “reversible,” nor that it is harmless. Most concerning of all is that these treatments run the risk that children may persist in their gender dysphoria.
    As a result, if “the increasing use of gender-affirming care does cause children to persist with their identification as the opposite sex, then many children who would otherwise not need ongoing medical treatment would be exposed to hormonal and surgical interventions.
    Whereas 80 to 95 percent of children with gender dysphoria will come to identify with and embrace their biological sex, none of the children placed on puberty blockers in the Dutch clinic that pioneered this treatment came to identify with their biological sex. All of them persisted in their
    The Dutch doctors who pioneered puberty blocking as a treatment for gender dysphoria argue that it would give a child “more time to explore their gender identity, without the distress of the developing secondary sex characteristics.”

    This is an odd argument. As Hruz, Mayer, and McHugh explain, “It presumes that natural sex characteristics interfere with the ‘exploration’ of gender identity, when one would expect that the development
    of natural sex characteristics might contribute to the natural consolidation of one’s gender identity.”

    The sad reality is that prolonged puberty suppression as a treatment for gender dysphoria has “been accepted so rapidly by much of the medical community, apparently without scientific scrutiny, that there is reason to be concerned about the welfare of children who are receiving it, as well as reason to question the veracity of some of the claims made to support its use—such as the assertion that it is physiologically and psychologically ‘reversible.’”
    Puberty Blocking Isn’t ‘Reversible’

    Indeed, the way that activists talk makes it seem like normal human development is an irreversible problem, but interfering with development is a cautionary and fully reversible step.

    But actually the opposite is true, as Hruz, Mayer, and McHugh explain:

    But doctors have no way of knowing whether these treatments truly are reversible, because very few people have ever sought to have them reversed: “There are virtually no published reports, even case studies, of adolescents withdrawing from puberty-suppressing drugs, and then resuming the normal
    pubertal development typical for their sex.

    Or, at least, perhaps not in a normal way. After all, as Hruz, Mayer, and McHugh explain, “In developmental biology, it makes little sense to describe anything as ‘reversible.’”

    Going through a developmental process at age 20 that should take place at age 10 is not the same thing. So talk about

    these treatments being reversible is inherently misleading.

    And yet all of the major activist groups—and many professional groups—perpetuate this claim.

    But as Hruz, Mayer, and McHugh illustrate, “If a child does not develop certain characteristics at age 12 because of a medical intervention, then his or her developing those characteristics at age 18 is not a ‘reversal,’ since the sequence of development has already been disrupted.”

    Some snippets from the Daily Signal.

    I also read yesterday, that hormone blockers had been given to very young children and that had caused infertility in those young children.
     
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    Here's How The Voice in Your Head Tricks Your Brain Into Thinking It's Real

    DAVID NIELD
    13 DEC 2017
    Our brain considers talking to ourselves in our minds very similar to talking to other people, according to new research, and that could help us get a better understanding of mental conditions like schizophrenia.

    In other words, if you're keeping up a silent dialogue with yourself, as far as certain parts of your brain activity are concerned, it's not that much different to chatting to someone else.

    Based on electroencephalography(EEG) scans of 42 individuals, the team looked at the effects of the efference copy created by our brains – a copy of the instructions also being sent to our mouth, lips, and vocal cords.

    By having this copy, the brain knows what we're about to say, and can use that information to distinguish other voices. You see the same internal process happening when people try and tickle themselves: it doesn't work, because they're expecting it.

    The efference copy reduces the impact of the sound of our own voice in our minds, so we're better able to deal with unexpected voices and sounds. What the research found was that this reduction still happened, even when the words weren't spoken.

    "The efference copy dampens the brain's response to self-generated vocalisations, giving less mental resources to these sounds, because they are so predictable," says lead researcher Thomas Whitford, from the University of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia.
     
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  7. Sweet Moonshine Registered Member

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    Parents, don't panic if your child hears voices, it's actually quite common


    Around 8% of young people are thought to hear voices at some stage in childhood, with up to 75% having a one-off experience of voice hearing. This makes hearing voices about as common for young people as having asthma or dyslexia.

    Although the way we view and support people with mental health difficulties has improved over the years, experiences such as hearing voices and seeing visions are often still associated with “severe and enduring mental illness”. But what is less well-known about these voices and visions is that they are surprisingly common – especially when growing up.

    Research shows, the experience of hearing voices that others can’t hear – also called auditory verbal hallucinations in traditional psychiatric terms – is not usually upsetting for many children. The experience of hearing voices also doesn’t tend to last too long – meaning it can often be something children grow out of or overcome in time.

    Young people and their parents have described a huge range of experiences. Some young people have explained how their voices can be supportive, but also intrusive and distressing. We have also heard about a range of factors that make the voices helpful, comforting or problematic, as well as young people’s ideas about the support that would be helpful for others going through the same thing.

    Our early data also highlights the importance of families’ reactions to the experience of hearing voices. This is because the reaction of parents is likely to influence how young people feel about their voices.

    For instance, one young person who responded to our online survey explained how reactions from the adults around him not only upset and worried him, but also unsettled the voices. He said:


    No one would believe me and it would frighten them [the voices].

    And it is information such as this that can help us to understand the different layers of these experiences. These stories can also help us as researchers and clinicians to better comprehend the factors that can lead some children to become frightened or distressed when confronted with experiences that are not readily discussed or met with acceptance.

    Taken from The Conversation.com.

    Although I was born female, as early as I can remember was in infant school, my thinking voice was male. Not only male, but that of a grown man. I was also a massive tomboy and the thinking voice would influence things that I did, such as play football and react to bullies. My thinking voice did not change until I was around 32 years old. My thinking voice is now female and I have no male behavioural tendencies.
     
  8. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    you need to include a link to the source of these posts unless you are writing them.
    to remain in the sane conversation group , you can not post other peoples articles as if it is your own content without posting links.

    if you are copy and pasting your own content from another source where you have already posted it, then i suggest you mention that to prevent yourself being labelled a message board spammer with nefarious intent.
     
  9. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    indeed

    the closest they come to sex change operations is children born with birth defect genitals where they require surgery to noramlise them to one gender or the other.
    it is a fairly small group and the surgery is not (in modern society) at the whim of the parent.


    lol(i am not laughing at you i am laughing at those who think they can think like the opposite gender while they couch their reality and existence inside a gender stereo type layered in bias and self ingratiating normalizations)

    there is a great deal of women who think they(women) can think as a man while they also think men can not think like a woman.

    however...
    this doesn't seem like an intellectual debate of the level capable of discussing the inter personal dynamics of self identity and reality of the sexual orientation of a transmorphic self ideation.

    you cant just mash shit together to suit your own bias
    as much as they may seem trendy and cool and fits well with one fringe group or some half assed collective of victim perpetrators.

    do not confuse mania with inertial drive for scientific achievement.

    ...

    Vs
    Voices in the head ?
    Vs
    Developmental Psychology ?

    what are you running up against in your own Ego ?
    being the good parent.
    guilt issues !
    blame issues !
    trying to become a victim to forget about being the cause/abuser ? while claiming the process to be you empathizing with the victim ?

    you are the stone skipping along the surface of the water.
    you do not want to stop skipping because other wise you will sink and drown

    but a rock doesn't need to breath air

    are you solving the problem or creating another problem that seems bigger to try and drown out the waves you are making from skipping over the surface ?

    this is not pop science stuff
    this is highly complex advanced psychoanalytical developmental psychology(trauma, depression, addiction, separation, loss... many aspects involved on top of any gender identity issues) involving many aspects that only advanced psychologists & psychiatrists can help you work with.
     
  10. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    I don't understand why you want to submit your child to a "gender experiment" that you strongly disapprove of.

    Can you explain, please?
     
  11. Sweet Moonshine Registered Member

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    ‘however...
    this doesn't seem like an intellectual debate of the level capable of discussing the inter personal dynamics of self identity and reality of the sexual orientation of a transmorphic self ideation.’

    The suggestion that I made seems quite valid to me. Born female, yet having a male thinking voice for almost 32 years made me think - as a school-aged child, that I was born into the wrong body. If I’d thought that that could change I might have fallen for a misplaced blanket term such as ‘transition’ I don’t think I would have, but you never no how pushy these pen pushers are, particularly in my generation and being a child it was all very much wanting to please the person in authority. Thinking voices can be altered and if mine had been altered back then, admittedly the same natural process that had occurred to enforce my gender identity would not have been given a chance... but nor would it have caused me to be sterile and grow a beard.

    And I was not discussing sexual orientation. It has nothing to do with the wrongs of giving cross sex hormones to kids. People might be gay, lesbian or straight, each of these groups can still have children. This transmorphic ideation that you talk about is one that has been induced by those wishing to make their millions by selling their patented drugs. They just need a load of vulnerable autistic kids and those who are not Gillick competent in order to pull it off. Because no one, let alone a kid with an ounce of sense would undergo such radical treatment.
     
  12. Sweet Moonshine Registered Member

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    ‘what are you running up against in your own Ego ?
    being the good parent.
    guilt issues !
    blame issues !
    trying to become a victim to forget about being the cause/abuser ? while claiming the process to be youempathizing with the victim ?’

    I am not looking for any acclamation for my position as a mother. I would see such as an affront to my instinctive ability. It’s like saying ‘well done for blinking there. Congratulations for removing that junk out of your eye.

    And the victims of this gender experiment exist. But it wouldn’t surprise me if some parents just ‘shut up’ while psychiatrists try to make their child a reflection of their trendy new pronouns - in order that word ‘abuse’ does not appear within a million miles of their name.
     
  13. Sweet Moonshine Registered Member

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    ‘you are the stone skipping along the surface of the water.
    you do not want to stop skipping because other wise you will sink and drown

    but a rock doesn't need to breath air’

    This is metaphorical rubbish. I am a big fan of metaphor btw. I just think that real life analogies are better placed here in order to avoid confusion. Not metaphors, those who say I pose a ‘barrier’ to my Daughter’s healthcare because I would have denied her access to a chest binder.
     
  14. Sweet Moonshine Registered Member

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    ‘is not pop science stuff
    this is highly complex advanced psychoanalytical developmental psychology’

    ‘Move along, nothing to see here.’

    ‘involving many aspects that only advanced psychologists & psychiatrists can help you work with.‘

    It’s important to have a bit of banter while discussing things in the alternative theories forum thread?

    Because of previous long waiting times and pushing from the side of support workers, whereas once children were psychologically challenged as to whether the professional should risk the radical, experimental treatment now Mermaid guidelines prevent that. Instead of alternatives being properly explored and discussed at length, cross gender treatment is being commenced after just one session, or 3-6 weeks.
     
  15. Sweet Moonshine Registered Member

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    Here's How The Voice in Your Head Tricks Your Brain Into Thinking It's Real

    from sciencealert.com and the latter has a link to the website. I’m not sure how to get content links from this device.
     
  16. Sweet Moonshine Registered Member

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    ‘I don't understand why you want to submit your child to a "gender experiment" that you strongly disapprove of.

    Can you explain, please?’

    I initially thought that they could help her change her mind. But their policy has suddenly changed.
     
  17. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i was hoping you might take a moment to make a few odd comments about my post
    do not feel obliged to

    your idea of want
    wanting her to change who she says she is ?
    this is somewhat a path to failure
    you pushing her to change simply becomes more a reason why it must make sense to be herself.

    i am not up on this clinic.
    it sounds like it is fraught with issues.
    i hope you have withdrawn her and placed her into immediate professional care of a pediatric teen specialist ?

    i am not aware of the type of services on offer.
    teen specialists are quite specific and you want someone who specializes in teen development
    there is no real middle ground on that unless they are a professional well established psychologist.

    i have met the odd one or two.
    they are fantastic people on the whole
    alternatively you may need to get a referral to a psychiatrist who then refers to the clinical psychologist who specializes in teens.

    this would be the common sense approach.

    while i am not suggesting the fight against the clinic may be a worthy cause.

    maybe
    as an idea
    what might be best is if your interest lay in the psychological wellfare and ongoing development of your child.
    if this is the case then you do not have time to take on the complex civil battle against such a technically challenging multi faceted organization.
     
  18. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i do not wish to get into this subject right now as i have had a somewhat longish day at work.

    that aside
    what your talking about is 2 things
    psychiatric illnesses
    normal mental function of people

    voices in the head is perfectly normal on the whole
    as long as they are voices that are of your own design, simply thoughts thinking and pondering aspects of other concepts.

    if those voices are telling you to do things and driving you toward actions, then you need medical assistance as quickly as possible.
    such issues are time sensitive
    the sooner you get to the psychiatrist the sooner you get a vastly better long term quality result.

    im too tired to compute the various aspects right now so i will leave it there for now.

    maybe colour your own personal posts a colour you like to divide them from your copy n pastes posts
     

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