Terrorism: Good Strategy or Crime against humanity?

Discussion in 'World Events' started by S.A.M., Nov 18, 2008.

  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Well, then if the elected Hamas sanctions it, that makes the suicide bombings acts of war. Except they use live bombs instead of airborne artificial ones.
     
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  3. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Hamas is not a legitimately recognized government, SAM.

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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Neither were the founding fathers of the US. The government has only to be recognised by the people who elect it.
     
  8. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    YouTube? Is that a legally recognized system of legal evidence in a court of law, Hype?

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  9. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    Is this a court of law for you, Baron?
     
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The Sunni in Iraq are enjoying the gains of terrorism now, as the Americans have agreed to supply them with weapons and training and other support against the Baghdad Shia in return for cessation of hostilities against Americans and cooperation against AQ.

    I read a summary report a while ago, a think tank publication IIRC, that counted about 70% of the terrorist campaigns that had ended in the recent past as having ended because they had "substantially achieved their goals".

    Thousands of Loyalists and suspected Loyalists in the US were shot, hung, beaten, burned out, and so forth, by terrorists. Entire communities were wiped out, like the Highland Scots in the Carolinas, driven down the river to the port for Europe with their homes and fields destroyed and their menfolk murdered.

    Tens of thousands of colonial civilians became refugees, boat people crossing the Atlantic in winter to the safety of law and order.

    Something like 10% of Canada's population is descended from the refugees of Revolutionary terrorism.

    Or as the contemporary rhyme put it: "Tories with their brats and wives should fly to save their wretched lives".

    Meanwhile, OT: AFAIK the warlords in Somalia who are protecting the pirates are the ones the US favored for their anti-Islamist stance and cooperative business attitude. Are they still favored ?
     
  11. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    When the American patriots declared their independence, they did so with written notification and they signed their names to the document. John Hancock signed it so large you could see it from across the room so "king George could read it without his spectacles". Terrorists don't do that. They cower in the shadows never owning up to their actions.

    The American revolution was fought by an army. It was a declared conflict, and they attacked military targets. THEY WERE NOT TERRORISTS.

    Terrorists don't wear uniforms, they don't take personal responsibility for their actions, and they don't field armies to attack the enemy.
     
  12. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    "The American revolution was fought by an army. It was a declared conflict, and they attacked military targets. THEY WERE NOT TERRORISTS."

    It must seem a lot like the Israeli War of Independence to you, as related by sloppy revisionist bigots.
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Like the al Qaeda, they wanted foreign troops out of their country and recruited volunteers from as far away as France [ie the Marquis de Lafayette] to do so. The funny part is, unlike the Palestinians and Saudis, the "Americans" themselves were taking the land from the natives.

    Even during the US civil war, the Union govt reruited European mercenaries to fight against the confederates. Umm, like the "foreign" insurgents in Iraq.

    George Washington committed untold atrocities against indigenous Americans and was a wanted man

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  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    So the AQ forces in Iraq and Afghanistan and so forth,

    whose emissaries launched attacks against warships, soldiers, the military operational command center, the headquarters of the commander in chief, and the center of the financial support of the foreign military operations

    after declaring their open hostility in numerous documents and videos, and establishing a training center for their organized military,

    were not terrorists ?
     
  15. John99 Banned Banned

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    They were not Americans. There was no such thing as an American at that time. The 'natives' did not own or live on ALL the land that is now America. Probably a tiny part of it. They 'natives' came from someplace else as well.

    None of this has anything to do with the OP.
    MOD NOTE: Good point. I'm moving all of these posts to a new thread
     
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  16. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    I'm sure the british tax collectors who were tarred and feathered would agree with you.
     
  17. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Most of it.

    If there were no Americans, there certainly were Delaware and Seneca and the other members of the Iroquois Confederacy - a sort of United Nations of America, if you will - and they thought they owned all the land of the Ohio River drainage. They fought very hard for it, the only truly significant Indian Wars of the continent, and the outcome was in doubt for a while.

    Terrorism was of course a common tactic, of red and white alike. And it worked, for the whites.
     
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  19. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Native Americans thought nothing of terrorism, torture, slavery and genocide, either. Frankly, human rights is a modern invention.
     
  20. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    No, both belligerence and tolerance are more ancient than it's easy to realize. But with a long gaze backward, you can see the fortunes of organized belligerence clearly and consistently declining. I suspect your opinion that human rights are a modern innovation is symptomatic of the underlying trend.
     
  21. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    And do you know which American General kicked the Indians ass in the Ohio River Valley? It was none other than General Mad Anthony Wayne, most notably at the battle of fallen timbers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fallen_Timbers
     
  22. John99 Banned Banned

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    They certainly seemed comfortable with going to war and knew how to fight in wars.

    Hype links to the first page he can google that may support his argument. Written by a high schooler.

    I would like to know how this could even remotely be known and who counted them:

    Since there are few factual accounts or records then it is hard to say what happened. Most of this is exaggerations and folklore or based on movies.
     
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