The 4th Spatial dimension is memory.

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by HawkI, Mar 30, 2020.

1. Michael 345New year. PRESENT is 70 years oldValued Senior Member

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Exactly

I don't accept the existence of DISTANCE

DISTANCE is a CONCEPT which enables us to convey meaning to stuff which does exist (without itself existing)

The in a bottle bit is not correct however

Gravity exist as detectible PROPERTY of mass and I believe in gravity

Guess you could stretch the in a bottle a tiny bit and say the bottle has mass - bottle has tiny bit gravity - bottle has tiny bit of own gravity in itself

3. Michael 345New year. PRESENT is 70 years oldValued Senior Member

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Not sure I can unpack this

Time is a domain for functions of time

So - time is the home for time to do stuff (operate?)

A function of time in physics can be a frequency for a real wavetrain

To many if's - can you clarify?

Time appears to be the same mathematically as the real line. Hence linear

Again to many if's - can you clarify?

5. arfa branecall me arfValued Senior Member

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In mathematics the domain of a function is defined as a set of values for some variable or set of variables; if f(t) is a function of time, t is the variable and d/dt{f(t)} exists for all t. So f(t) might describe a physical signal (or whatever you want), but its domain is linear. You can define d/dt to be a linear operator.
a wavetrain is just a periodic input (signal), a continuous train of waves.
The real line is by definition linear; you can construct the real line with a unit vector and addition.

7. HawkIRegistered Senior Member

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I'm a third wheel in my own thread. I don't want to confuse things further by posting here.

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8. Michael 345New year. PRESENT is 70 years oldValued Senior Member

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Thanks for unpacking

Unfortunately, for me, while I think I have it a little clearer that is as far as it goes with Heuy Dewey and Louie

Take a break and come back later

Thanks again

9. Write4UValued Senior Member

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To honor HawkI; Can one store memories in a bottle? If not where are non-biological memories stored?

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USBs?

11. Write4UValued Senior Member

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True, maybe even the "Cloud". But where's the universal processor?

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12. arfa branecall me arfValued Senior Member

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Mathematically, the visible universe is a 3-ball; physically it's our Hubble volume.

It contains, information, this volume. Some of this information is the fossilized signal from an event that was pretty much instantaneous and everywhere the same (smooth or isentropic), the so-called recombination era. When it ended the universe was dark until the first stars formed.

But this background signal is a mere fragment of the total information in the volume. As entropy increases and the total information content increases with it, the universe conserves information by storing it in black holes . . .

13. Write4UValued Senior Member

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I like that model. But memory is useless unless influential to current universal phenomena.
How does it get reused, what is the memory retrieval and processing system?

And storing universal memories in black holes, how does that create a spatial memory dimension?

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14. arfa branecall me arfValued Senior Member

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Black holes are believed to evaporate via Hawking radiation; the lifetime of the black hole can be quite large. You could I suppose conjecture that black holes are a maximally efficient memory, with the worst-possible dereferencing mechanism (i.e. readout) in the universe.

15. DaveC426913Valued Senior Member

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Actually, the theory goes that black holes destroy information.

If you dropped a glass on the floor and it broke in a million pieces, you could theoretically reconstruct the original glass if you could track the trajectories of each piece, reverse the time sequence, and put all the pieces back where they belong. The information about the original glass is not lost.
This is true of almost any process in the universe.

Except black holes. Once particles (or data or information) enter a black hole, that information (such as the speed and trajectory of the particles) is destroyed forever. You cannot reverse the process and regain the original configuration.

It's an active area of research.

16. James RJust this guy, you know?Staff Member

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I'm not sure about that. I thought Steven Hawking solved that problem.

17. arfa branecall me arfValued Senior Member

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I think a black hole is an object that challenges the theory that information can be stored in less than four dimensions.

Since, if you can store information (this has to include the act, or process, of storage, however it gets defined), in say three dimensions, one of them is the time dimension, leaving two for storage. Well, the Bekenstein limit relates the surface area of a black hole to its entropy; the problem then is reformulating what is the physical surface of a black hole, which seems to be still under discussion. But the take-home is, the information content of a black hole is found on the surface of the black hole, the information coming out is reducing the surface area (because, information has to involve the transfer of energy, duh).

18. Write4UValued Senior Member

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Layman's question;

Do these two principles address "wave collapse"? Does wave collapse destroy the original information contained in the physics?
Example: if I use a wrecking ball to disassemble a building and randomly distribute the rubble in a yard and tear up the building's blueprint, can I rebuild the building's architecture by reversing the process?

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19. arfa branecall me arfValued Senior Member

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If the disassembly process can be recorded, then in principle it isn't an irreversible process. If you don't record the disassembly process it is irreversible; you need to keep the inputs around, so to speak, or keep the blueprints.

The Rubik's cube has a nice way to define information; if you randomly permute the thing without looking at it, then try to solve it, you know about some lost information, even how large the string of operations is. Your solution will necessarily have an entropy relative to this irreversibly lost information.

If you do keep a record of the operations as a string, you also have a (trivial!) solution; obviously there are more than this one, however.

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20. Write4UValued Senior Member

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I always liked David Bohm's experiment of "enfolding ink drops into and unfolding out of glycerine" (corn syrup).

The trick is to avoid turbulence and that's what happens to most enfolding and unfolding processes. They are often very turbulent and chaotic. Is memory conserved in chaos?

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21. HawkIRegistered Senior Member

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Things seem to be back on track, so I can post here again without causing confusion.

Time is the 4th Dimension. (Physics)
Memory is the 4th Spatial Dimension. ( Imaginary Numbers remembering details in Quantum Physics)

Time stores Memories.

THUS

Physics and Quantum Physics are Unified by the 4th Dimension.

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22. originIn a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect.Valued Senior Member

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I think you have some very silly beliefs.

23. Write4UValued Senior Member

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Can you clarify this a little more?