The actual question - "Why don't you kill yourself?"

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by greenberg, Mar 26, 2008.

  1. Myles Registered Senior Member

    You still haven't told me why I should be bothered ?I accept things the way I see them and the fact that I claim my response to you is determined show nothing more than that. How else would I would I respond if I were free ?

    Of course you don't have to take my analysis seriously; I'd be surprised if you did, Don't you understand yet ? I have nothing to sell, no conversion to offer; it's simply that I enjoy a debate and, in this case. I believe you are wrong. I can live with that.

    From my perspective, you need to believe that you are more significant than you are, hence your rejection that you are a parcel of genes programmed to survive and reproduce. You want there to be something deeper.

    You mentioned nurture first , you say. You did. I felt it unnecessary to mention it because it should be obvious to anyone discussing what we are that genes do not express themselves in a vacuum. I take that as a given.

    The bottom line is that you did not choose your genes or your background . You found yourself in an environment to which you are reacting and resulting from which ,patterns of behaviour emerge. The point is that, as I said to you on a previous occasion, I believe free wil is an illusion and I do not find accepting that is a burden. I have just returned from a trout-fishing trip which I throughly enjoyed. Determined or not, I had a good outing .
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  3. sowhatifit'sdark Valued Senior Member

    It seems you believe your genes have given you the ability to mind read or, in any case, the tendency to think that you can.

    But you felt compelled to correct me when I left it out - after my already having mentioned, I add again.

    Obviously I was not taking 'should' in the moral sense. Just as you think you know the psychological roots of my beliefs, I get a sense of when you are bothered and the indirect ways you express your being bothered.

    So there we are: a couple of mind readers.

    But we have strayed far afield from the OP and I get the feeling the thread is dead. In any case, I am done with it.

    May our genes and environments bring us pleasant experiences.

    I think I will sign my letters off like that from now on.
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  5. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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  7. Myles Registered Senior Member

    Change your avatar to Alber Camus II !

    Sorry to disappoint you but I'm not bothered in any sense. You are simply projecting your thoughts onto me rather than reading mine. In the event we ever talk again, I shall spoonfeed you to avoid misunderstandings. For example , in the present instance I should have saids:

    Our genes are responsible for our behaviour. But we do not live in a vacuum. No, we live in a society and our actions talk place within this society and it's associated environment. Our interactions with others mediate our behaviour. But we must not simply think of humans. We may interact with dogs, goldfish and so on. We even interact with the weather.

    So while we may wish for pleasant esperiences within our environment, it must be pointed out that we cannot have experiences outside of our environment, so environment can be safely omitted and it will suffice to talk of pleasant experiences.
  8. Myles Registered Senior Member

    You obviously think with your dick and talk through your arse.

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